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01:14:41[ Atomo64] can anyone make sure if this package (QA upload) builds with gcc-4.3? I'm unable to test because of dependencies issues (and using pbuilder ain't an option right now): http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/k/ksimus/ksimus_0.3.6-2-13.dsc
01:14:56[ ana] Atomo64: i'll try
01:15:02[ Atomo64] ana: thank you
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02:12:45[ ana] Atomo64: oops, installged gcc-4.3 in a cownbulder chroot and forgot fire the build, starting now :)
02:13:02[ KiBi] :]
02:13:23[ KiBi] Atomo64: If you need that in the future, you can poke me.
02:13:48[ Atomo64] ana, KiBi: thanks to both
02:14:04 * ana pokes KiBi 
02:14:21[ KiBi] Atomo64 doesn't match ana. :)
02:14:25[ Atomo64] yesterday I had an other QA upload uploaded (apt-spy sponsored anibal)
02:14:27[ Atomo64] lol
02:37:25[ Atomo64] ana: any progress? :)
02:37:45[ ana] Atomo64: building :)
02:39:06[ ana] Atomo64: it built, do you want a log?
02:39:38[ Atomo64] ana: if it built correctly I don't think it's necessary; all I need now is a sponsort :)
02:39:43[ Atomo64] *sponsor
02:41:19[ ana] Atomo64: ok, i'll build with current gcc in unstable an dupload
02:41:47[ ana] i can not say no to a kde package :-P
02:41:52[ Atomo64] ana: ok, thanks
02:41:56[ Atomo64] ana: hehe
02:42:02[ ana] Atomo64: sin problema :)
02:43:27[ Atomo64] ana: by the way, what is Debian's policy about GPL3?
02:43:53[ ana] Atomo64: kibi will help you with that
02:44:10 * Atomo64 pokes KiBi then
02:44:59[ KiBi] What are you calling “Debian's policy about GPL3”?
02:45:46[ Atomo64] I mean, is there any reason why it is not recommended to use it?
02:45:57[ KiBi] Not that I know of.
02:46:21[ KiBi] But it is neither recommended not to use it.
02:48:32[ Atomo64] ok, thanks
02:52:43[ KiBi] It's not like it is listed in base-files. :)
02:53:03 * KiBi thinks he is missing a negation, though.
02:57:54[ Atomo64] btw, is there any app/file from where I can map testing to X, stable to XX and oldstable to XXX? so I don't have to hardcore that information
03:03:16[ Atomo64] ana: just received the email, thanks
03:07:32[ pabs] Atomo64: where X/etc are the version numbers of a package? you probably want madison-lite
03:08:24[ Atomo64] pabs: no, where X is lenny, XX is etch, XXX oldstable
03:08:40[ Atomo64] (sorry, I forgot to say that)
03:08:47[ pabs] hm
03:09:16[ pabs] rooting around on ftp.debian.org/debian might help, I don't know where exactly though
03:09:39[ ana] Atomo64: i do not understand what do you want to do exaclty :?
03:11:42[ Atomo64] ana: I want to be able to ask a program what testing points to (e.g. lenny)
03:11:51[ Atomo64] but same for stable and oldstable
03:12:10[ ana] ah
03:16:20[ pabs] Atomo64: how about this? ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/README
03:17:54[ Atomo64] pabs: if the format doesn't change, I can extract the info from there
03:18:01[ Atomo64] thanks :)
03:18:04[ pabs] using FTP to get to the dists dir and then ls shows symlinks 
03:18:17[ pabs] lrwxrwxrwx    1 1176     1176            4 Apr 08  2007 stable -> etch
03:18:45[ pabs] that is probably a better way than symlinks if you can find an ftp library
03:19:35[ Atomo64] that's too complex for a bash script (without having to rely on an other program)
03:19:36[ pabs] s/symlinks/README
03:20:11[ Atomo64] by the way, why bash isn't compiled with /dev/tcp|udp/hostname support? 
03:23:43[ pabs] see the README.Debian: 9. Why is bash configured with --disable-net-redirections?
03:32:19 * Atomo64 liked the idea of doing things like echo -e "GET /file HTTP/1.1\r\nHost: foobar.com\r\nConnection: close\r\n\r\n" > /dev/tcp/foobar.com
04:06:26[ Atomo64] gnight all :)
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09:24:58[ h01ger] nion, thank you
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14:23:54[ manphiz] hi QA Team, I'm intending to help maintaining libxml++ whose maintainer seems MIA atm. What's the procedure to make this happen?
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14:30:31[ tomv_w] manphiz: have you tried to contact him?
14:38:30[ manphiz] tomv_w, tried twice in the last month
14:51:32[ tomv_w] manphiz: what's the benefit of libxml 1.0 over the newer stuff?
14:52:26[ manphiz] tomv_w, oh sorry, I used the wrong name, I meant libxml++2.6
14:52:41[ manphiz] which shares the same maintainer
14:54:30[ tomv_w] well, it looks like it's de facto NMU maintained...
14:55:41[ manphiz] Right. back in 2 weeks someone here suggested orphaning it to let me adopt
14:56:15[ pusling] it is kind of funny to see manphiz occasionally trying the same question - and new people picks up answering him starting all from the beginning again ;)
14:58:26[ tomv_w] well, lucas has posted a proposed orphaning workflow on debian-qa. how about that, maybe accompagnied with a NMU.
14:58:26[ manphiz] pusling, hmm, I was suggested to come back for a while to make sure the maintianer is nonresponsive, and it's very likely that someone else picks me up
14:59:55[ manphiz] tomv_w, when the process reaches libxml++2.6, it's time for me to pick it up, I guess? :)
15:00:21[ tomv_w] manphiz: maybe you could nominate there, too. maybe ping lucas for that.
15:01:05[ tomv_w] manphiz: also, you could propose a NMU if you have something to fix on -qa and CC the previous NMUers.
15:02:29[ manphiz] tomv_w, actually currently just new upstream version, which fixes many bugs, and can be a preparation for inclusion of glom
15:09:07[ tomv_w] manphiz: well, you can explain that in your mail to -qa then with all the why and how. probably you sould investigate the advantages of the new lib against the open bugs as well.
15:09:18[ tomv_w] either you want to do stuff or not.
15:09:49[ tomv_w] personally, I'd probably get a name on my stuff as well, but that's just my style.
15:10:27[ manphiz] tomv_w, ah right, I'll have a look on that.
15:11:57[ tomv_w] manphiz: bonus points if you check what's up with the rdepends of the 1.0 lib.
15:12:13[ tomv_w] (i.e. check if it's possible to get rid of it)
15:12:46[ manphiz] ah ok
15:16:05[ manphiz] tomv_w, still have 2 rdepends: ofx and passepartout, and the latter seems still actively maintained
15:21:26[ tomv_w] manphiz: well? can those be compiled against newer versions, are patches needed, did you file any bugs?
15:21:49[ manphiz] tomv_w, not yet, and 2.0 seems incompatible with 1.0
15:21:58[ manphiz] however bakery2.3 seems have been superceded by bakery2.4 and have no rdepends atm
15:27:41[ manphiz] well, passepartout upstream seems still strict depends on libxml++ 1.0 . However I think it's still ok for them to coexist atm :)
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15:30:50[ tomv_w] manphiz: no. gnome svn has patches for passepartout. 
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15:31:55[ tomv_w] seriously, if you want to do good things for debian, removing libxml 1 would likely be much more helpful than new upstream versions.
15:33:32[ manphiz] well, I think pushing all rdepends upstream to migrate is the right thing to do, but not easy :)
15:35:56[ tomv_w] and working on Debian, you want to do which of the two?
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15:37:05[ manphiz] ah, I believe the latter, which means I have to take a look at libxml++ 1.0 as well
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15:37:50[ manphiz] anyway, bakery2.3 seems save to be removed from Debian now :)
15:38:33[ manphiz] Oops, s/save/safe/
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15:47:00[ tomv_w] manphiz: well, that's only two rbuild-depends then, one of which has a patch upstream. probably having filed all the right bugs that lead to the eventual removal will impress your AM if you apply.
15:48:14[ manphiz] tomv_w, ah, you reminds me that I haven't started an NM application yet :-P
15:49:21[ manphiz] but I think I'll wait for some time to gain some really experience through maintaining glibmm/gtkmm/libglademm :)
15:51:38[ tomv_w] manphiz: good idea, probably.
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18:33:37[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: hertzog * r1725 /trunk/pts/www/bin/other_to_xml.py: Track more closely patches so that new patches lead to a new HTML page.
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10:44:31[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: vela * r1726 /trunk/mail/aliases: Add lucas to unknown-package@, mia@
10:45:52[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: vela * r1727 /trunk/mail/aliases: Remove myself (vela) from cron-errors@
10:47:15[ lucas] oops, didn't commit when I added myself, thank you
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15:21:23[ h01ger] you might want not only want to send mail to lucas today (for the qa meeting) but also to cesar, as its his birthday today :-)
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18:52:14[ Atomo64] I was wondering if it would worth the effort to write a script which reads http://dehs.alioth.debian.org/no_upstream.html and fills bug reports (severity minor) against the affected packages? (of course keeping a record of package and package version when reported; so no duplicate bug reports are submitted)
19:02:58[ damog] i think that is already being done
19:04:11[ Atomo64] damog: I've reviewed some of the packages being listed and I've seen no report about their debian/watch
19:05:30[ damog] what about modifying the thing that generates that
19:05:36[ damog] so it can send it automatically
19:05:42[ damog] at least a note to the maintainer
19:05:45[ Atomo64] it is a PHP script
19:05:49[ damog] or a bug, or whatever
19:05:51[ Atomo64] and reads everything from a database
19:06:03[ damog] mail()? :)
19:17:01[ Atomo64] damog: ok, I'll try to contact the DEHS ppl
19:17:32[ Atomo64] damog: btw, did you read my email about adding RSS/Atom/whatever feeds to your wrong-titled-wnpp's script? :)
19:17:44[ damog] I did.
19:17:59[ damog] Atomo64: or yeah, you could do it yourself
19:18:05[ damog] the DEHS thingie
19:18:12[ damog] however
19:18:24[ damog] how would you track already sent bugs on packages and new packages on the webpage?
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19:21:18[ Atomo64] damog: well, I would first check for an updated no_upstream.html; parse it to get the package name and message; check if any of those packages is in a ignore list, then query the PTS to check what is the current version of the package; check a db (maybe plain text) to make sure we haven't already reported about the given package; send the report and finally write the info in the database
19:22:25[ Atomo64] damog: the only part I still need to check a little further is the PTS query
19:24:02[ damog] sounds fun
19:26:27[ Atomo64] damog: what would be the best way to query the PTS or some other resource to know the current version of the package in unstable
19:27:38[ damog] apt?
19:28:08[ damog] packages.debian.org?
19:28:39[ damog] apt will depend on the sources mirrors
19:30:31[ Atomo64] damog: is there a simple interface on which I don't have to do a lot of parsing? (without relying on a mirror)
19:31:34[ damog] everything will have to rely on a mirror
19:31:47[ damog] otherwise, you won't be able to get the current version of a given distribution
19:33:08[ Atomo64] damog: I mean, something like p.d.o/xml.ext?package=foo&dist=unstable or similar?
19:33:58[ damog] can't remember now
19:36:26[ damog] why don't you do it? :)
19:37:48[ Atomo64] damog: but where should I take the data from? :)
19:38:09[ damog] apt?
19:38:12[ damog] packages.debian.org?
19:38:14[ damog] :)
19:39:04 * Atomo64 is taking a look at ara
19:42:58[ Atomo64] wth? $ debtags search suite::debian ... subproject-howto - (short description not available)
19:43:58[ Atomo64] nevermind, package is only in etch
19:45:00[ luk] please don't highlight me like that ;-)
19:45:38[ luk] mentioning etch that is...
19:48:30[ pusling] luk: etch ?
19:48:43[ Atomo64] ara also uses /var/lib/dpkg/...; madison-lite won't help... what other tool can I try?... :S
19:49:25[ luk] pusling: using luk is enough to highlight me :-)
19:55:01[ Atomo64] funny thing: $ man /var/lib/dpkg/available
19:59:57[ damog] luk for something useful
19:59:58[ damog] :P
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21:23:10[ Atomo64] damog: I've almost completed the script; what do you think about this[1] being the message of the bug report? [1] http://pastebin.ca/748350
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21:36:12[ Atomo64] or is there anyone who wishing to give feedback? I made some more changes: http://pastebin.ca/748369
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23:11:00[ lucas] any suggestions of people I should invite to the QA meeting?
23:11:13[ lucas] I can still do that, but tomorrow it will be too late
23:14:08[ damog] lucas: yes
23:14:42[ damog] lucas: Matej Vela
23:14:56[ lucas] damog: who?
23:15:06[ lucas] he comes from mexico right?
23:15:14[ damog] err .. nope
23:15:23[ damog] Croatia, I think
23:15:37[ damog] vela@d.o
23:15:50[ damog] he's been doing WNPP work for the last couple of years too
23:18:55[ lucas] ok, I just sent him a mail
23:19:03[ luk] nice
23:19:14[ lucas] anyone else?
23:19:33[ Atomo64] I just ran my script and let it send some reports; according to the db, 250 reports were sent. If everything went as expected (and nobody has any objection) I'll let it send all the reports
23:20:07[ damog] Atomo64: did you bring this up to -qa?
23:20:15[ damog] l.d.o i mean
23:20:51[ lucas] Atomo64: are you otherwise involved in dehs.alioth.debian.org ?
23:21:24[ Atomo64] damog: err, no, actually I tough I had disabled the email delivery (just wanted to test it locally). 
23:21:46[ dato] lucas: how and when's the travelling from madrid to extremadura? is it a common bus for all?
23:22:12[ lucas] Atomo64: it would be great if it were more actively worked on, I have quite a lot of ideas about it
23:22:16[ Atomo64] lucas: not at all; just extracted, filtered (distro, and some keywords)
23:22:31[ lucas] ok
23:22:39[ lucas] dato: I don't know yet
23:22:48[ lucas] dato: and I don't know in which city it will take place
23:22:53[ Atomo64] lucas: can we talk about that later? I have to go now, I'll probably be back in two hours or so
23:23:00[ lucas] ok
23:23:01[ lucas] erm
23:23:06[ lucas] more like tomorrow then
23:23:27[ dato] lucas: oh, so it's not possible to know what time one should be in madrid on wednsday (if I read correctly)?
23:23:30[ Atomo64] lucas: ok. what is your time zone?
23:23:38[ lucas] CEST
23:23:48[ lucas] dato: not yet
23:23:50[ damog] i've found a best deal to fly to Barcelona
23:24:19[ damog] is there any sane way to go from Barcelona to Extremadura?
23:24:24[ damog] dato: ^ :)
23:25:00[ dato] damog: madrid is pretty much in the middle of b. and e., so your best option probably is meeting everybody else in mad, I guess.
23:25:01[ Atomo64] lucas: ok, tty tomorrow then
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23:36:50[ lucas] +asked
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23:45:51[ HE] lucas: Is there like a final list of people that are expected for the QA meeting?
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00:20:04[ adn] luk: the same guy who does security uploads signs over his sponsoree's signature!
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02:32:19[ Atomo64] so, seems like all my 'supposed to be delivered' bug reports were not really sent; can anyone try to find out whether there are around 250 emails being queued which were sent From: Raphael Geissert <atomo64@gmail.com>? 
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09:00:25[ lucas] HE: sort of
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14:23:14[ HE] lucas: And who's on it? :)
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14:29:08[ lucas] HE: 
14:29:09[ lucas] confirmed: lucas godog luk he Ganneff zack kibi mario ondrej goneri holger, amaya, damog, ana
14:29:12[ lucas] not confirmed yet: aba, liw
15:01:33[ lucas] pff, the raid array I use to store my mirror and my logs for the archive rebuilds is dying
15:01:53[ lucas] probably no rebuilds in the near future...
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00:56:42[ adn] HE: \o/ fifty cents \o/ When does your tour stop in Paris? I've listened to all your songs!
00:57:04[ HE] adn: Oh boy, remind me to kick you when we meet :)
00:57:43[ adn] :)
00:57:58[ adn] HE: anyway, great ideas
00:58:07[ adn] I think you'll get my ballot
00:58:32[ adn] (unless sam is candidate again)
00:58:33[ HE] Dude, I'm not even running for DPL yet and probably won't. Thanks, anyway :)
00:58:55[ adn] but it is at least a good way to make the actual DPL move :)
00:59:25[ HE] Dunno, that wasn't my plan :)
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13:11:48[ adn] HE: are you still part of the experimental/non-free/bpo autobuilder?
13:12:02[ adn] HE: if so, would it be possible to upload p7zip-rar built package?
13:12:12[ adn] they've been built for a long time
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14:45:50[ HE] adn: Eh, which arch?
14:46:46[ HE] lucas: Do you have like a date when we will receive the flight data?
14:47:05[ lucas] no, no news since I sent the passport info
14:49:06[ HE] OK, thanks. Just wanted to know if I need someone to replace me, I'm giving a tutorial on wednesday mornings. If my flight is in the afternoon, I should be able to do it myself
14:51:54[ HE] Let's hope that the meeting is not going to include 6 hours of bus drive to the final location like last time...
14:55:03[ dato] isn't it at the same place?
14:56:15[ HE] Last thing I heard was "unknown location". If it is at the same place, remind me to scream and kick if my return flight is scheduled for 9:15 like last time
15:01:44[ lucas] I hope so as well
15:02:14[ dato] well, if it's in Extremadura (and surely it is?) is going to be a long ride...
15:02:29[ lucas] yeah, but it could be closed to madrid than badajoz
15:03:04[ lucas] s/closed/closer/
15:05:02[ HE] Well, actually I'm not really having a problem with having the meeting in Badajoz, the problem just was that noone told us before we agreed to our flight dates last,  which lead to some unfortunate combinations.
15:06:00[ dato] 'aight
15:06:03[ dato] lunch time, bbl
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15:43:57[ dato] lucas: out of curiosity, did you coordinate with tbm to start doing unknown-package stuff?
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17:52:45[ lucas] dato: no, I added myself to the mia@ alias, and added myself to unknown-pkg out of curiosity as well
17:53:18[ dato] ok. I tried to do u-pkg, but he gently mentioned he thought one person was enough.
17:54:02[ luk] it's far too much spam for my liking...
17:54:10[ luk] and tbm does a great job!
17:54:55[ dato] I haven't noticed much spam after dropping non-bts mail at master
17:55:03[ lucas] if he complains, I can surely stop
17:55:10[ lucas] I was just being curios
17:55:15[ lucas] curious
17:56:55[ luk] I don't think it's a problem as long as you coordinate once you fix an unknown package issue
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18:24:41[ Atomo64] lucas: ping
19:02:30[ lucas] Atomo64: please avoid useless pings
19:02:40[ lucas] just say what you want to say
19:02:42[ lucas] so I can answer
19:02:46[ lucas] and you can read my answer later
19:02:47[ lucas] etc
19:03:01[ lucas] s/useless pings/contentless pings/
19:03:29[ Atomo64] lucas: sorry; so, the other day you were talking about DEHS
19:03:39[ lucas] yes
19:04:05[ Atomo64] besides the reports on bogus debian/watch file I think we should provide notifications for new upstream versions
19:04:31[ lucas] I'm not involved at all in dehs
19:04:34[ lucas] but I totally agree ;)
19:04:47[ Atomo64] I've seen some outdated/bogus packages which most of its bugs are fixed by upstream; and without pinging the maintainer they don't update the package
19:05:02[ lucas] the dehs code is available on alioth
19:05:21[ lucas] so it's probably mainly a matter of "checkout, provide a patch"
19:05:41[ Atomo64] the problem is that all the data is stored in a pgsql database
19:05:52[ Atomo64] (and I'm not very keen on pgsql)
19:15:13[ lucas] you could talk to the dehs developer
19:15:29[ lucas] you probably wont have to write a lot of psql code
19:28:19[ Atomo64] seems like my ISP's smtp server is up again so I'll try to send one of the bogus debian/watch reports
19:38:01[ Atomo64] wtf, dead again
20:26:04[ godog] Atomo64: I'd talk about that (upstream versions) at QA meeting
20:29:29[ Atomo64] godog: I can't go to the meeting so I would be happy if somebody could mention that (upstream versions) and the other status for WNPP bugs (RFS, so packages waiting for a sponsor can be easily found)
20:37:49[ godog] Atomo64: what about RFSes? I guess they could be usertagged?
20:39:19[ Atomo64] godog: I never tough about that (but sounds like a good idea). My idea was to add an other 'status' just like ITA, ITP, RFP, etc
20:40:15[ godog] Atomo64: I am not really updated about RFSes but weren't they only messages on -mentors?
20:42:46[ Atomo64] godog: that's right; but there's currently no real way to track unsponsored packages
20:45:16[ godog] Atomo64: indeed, I don't know mentors.d.n usage but if everyone in search of sponsorship uses that then it would be easy to check unsponsored packages by comparing mentors.d.n and unstable versions (just a quick thought)
20:52:54[ Atomo64] hmm
21:00:15[ Atomo64] anyways, I have to go now, I'll bbl
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10:06:27[ adn] HE: amd64, ia64 and mipsel, please
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10:02:33[ tarzeau] can non-dd people create qa updated packages and get them sponsored? or must they be taken over or are NMU fine (for new upstream version updates)
10:05:14[ Rhonda] It always looks a bit strange to me if people care enough to do QA uploads of packages but too less to seem to be properly attached to the package ...
10:05:45[ tarzeau] Rhonda: even if you think some people have too many packages to care about?
10:05:59[ tarzeau] Rhonda: i will maintain it, fine for me... it's about links and xmp
10:06:01[ kink] tarzeau, yes, a QA upload can be sponsored
10:06:21[ kink] but if they are not orphaned they are not QA uploads...
10:06:42[ tarzeau] kink: i know, xmp is orphaned and already had a QA upload
10:07:02[ tarzeau] i think links should be orphaned too...
10:07:41[ tarzeau] kink: the last 3 uploads were NMUs and the last upload by the maintainer done in 2004
10:09:02[ tarzeau] oh and i'd like to see unalz updated too (it's ITA, but nothing happened yet)
10:17:53[ Rhonda] tarzeau: It's not mine to decide if some people have too many packages to care about. And in that cases I wonder why they want to put efforts into qa for other packages then, too ...
10:20:25[ tarzeau] Rhonda: because they use those packages?
10:20:30[ tarzeau] Rhonda: and want some nasty bugs fixed?
10:28:32[ Rhonda] Then they seem to care enough about those packages, not?
10:29:20 * h01ger thinks its great if people care so much to do qa uploads
10:32:21[ kink] I think a qa upload mostly makes the situation better than it was, so what's the problem?
10:32:53 * h01ger nods
10:38:18[ Rhonda] Sorry that I expressed my opinion about thinking it's strange to maybe even do it on regular basis for a package but not thinking of properly adopting it ..
10:38:59[ h01ger] no need to be sorry. or do we need to be sorry to disagree too?
10:39:43[ h01ger] properly adopting needs long term commitment. doing a qa upload just needs needs some time once.
10:39:59[ h01ger] thats why i dont think its strange to do qa uploads..
10:40:30[ pusling] or for packages you care a bit for, but not enough
11:01:50[ Rhonda] h01ger: Hmm, but we know that long term commitment aren't really granting for better care. BTDT, adopted the package.  :P
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09:26:18[ luk_work] hi
09:29:22[ luk_work] I want to ask for removal of packages which are orphaned for more than 6 months which have less than 50 installations according to popcon (17 packages in total), any objections?
09:48:28[ abi] are they RC buggy?
10:05:39[ luk_work] nope
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10:27:09[ Lo-lan-do] Hi there
10:27:38[ Lo-lan-do] Not sure this is the right place to report MIA people, but Andrew Mitchell (ajmitch) looks like a good candidate
10:29:01[ tarzeau] and these people too: http://asdfasdf.ethz.ch/~tar/bugstats/?zzz.png
10:29:35[ tarzeau] and the links maintainer
10:30:05[ tarzeau] peter gervai
10:30:19[ tarzeau] NMU's on all his packages for stable, testing and unstable: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=grin@tolna.net
10:30:56[ tarzeau] luk_work: which 17 packages are that?
10:31:02[ luk_work] please mail mia@qa.debian.org for that
10:31:33[ tarzeau] luk_work: mail them what? do you have a template?
10:32:21[ luk_work] just mail mia@qa.debian.org what you post here with a reason why you think they are MIA
10:32:36[ tarzeau] luk_work: ok
10:33:56[ Rhonda] tarzeau: Hmm, it lists asuffield, his key isn't in the keyring anymore, do yu think there are more false-positives in your list? It's pretty obvious that he's MIA. :)
10:34:27[ tarzeau] Rhonda: i'm sure there's many false-positives
10:34:38[ Rhonda] And I'd be pretty surprised that Thiemo should be MIA
10:34:40[ luk_work] caudium, cbmconvert, ffingerd, hanterm-xf, muh, netcdf-perl, newspost, open21xx, picax, positron, rioutil, rscheme, traffic-vis, ts10, xmaddressbook, zsh30, qmailmrtg7
10:34:42[ tarzeau] Rhonda: because the last updated data i get is done by a MIA person too
10:36:41[ luk_work] Lo-lan-do: ajmitch is in the last step before mass orphaning his packages
10:37:11[ Lo-lan-do] luk_work: Okay, I guess I can cancel that mail then :-)
10:37:42[ Lo-lan-do] Has he been contacted?
10:37:52[ luk_work] nope, you should send that mail so his packages will be orphaned soon :-)
10:38:00[ Lo-lan-do] Right
10:38:21[ luk_work] of course has he been contacted otherwise he wouldn't get in that step
10:38:30[ tarzeau] luk_work: sent
10:40:22[ Lo-lan-do] Sent too
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17:11:16[ luk_work] can someone file a proper orphanage bug for plplot please, TIA?
17:12:09[ luk_work] it was orphaned on Nov 4th 2006 according to the changelog of 5.6.1-10 ...
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00:04:40[ pusling] luk: I am for some values of "looking after" looking after orphaned kde-reversedependencies
00:09:12[ luk] pusling: ???
00:10:25[ pusling] luk: you sent some email to -devel.
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00:12:47[ luk] yes, about long time orphaned packages with many users, not about just orphaned packages or packages with few users :-)
00:13:25[ pusling] yes. kde depends on some of those.. please do not plan to remove them ,)
00:15:54[ luk] hmm...
00:26:55 * ana does not want to adopt htdig
00:27:29 * pusling neither
00:27:32[ pusling] nor imlib
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00:37:56[ luk] imlib should be obsolete, no?
00:38:31[ pusling] iirc kuickshow (or kview) uses it
00:51:19[ luk] htdig is only used by khelpcenter apparantly ...
00:51:31[ pusling] yes.
00:52:14[ luk] maybe fabo or someone else of the KDE Team wants to maintain it?
00:52:41[ ana] i do not think fabo wants
00:52:51[ ana] someone else? how someone else? :)
00:53:01[ ana] s/how/who/
00:53:35[ luk] or maybe you can convince upstream to not use htdig anymore?
00:53:52[ pusling] definately not for kde3
00:53:55[ ana] upstream is focused in kde4
00:54:00[ ana] yeah
00:54:05[ pusling] but kde4 still uses htdig :/
00:54:26[ ana] yeah, but it could be changed there..
00:54:43[ pusling] yes. I hope and expect khelpcenter in kde4 to use strigi later on
00:54:56[ ana] i thought that was the plan
00:55:51[ ana] (from the very beginning, i mean)
00:56:10[ pusling] metoo
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00:01:13[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1728 /trunk/data/debcheck/debcheck: Add priority issue where packages of priority optional (or higher) conflict with each other.
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00:58:53[ Atomo64] After playing around and making one of my servers relay the emails, here's the first bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=449310
00:59:33[ Atomo64] should I let my script send some others (20-30) or even the rest (~800)? or should I first talk about this in -qa?
01:06:03[ pusling] Atomo64: can't you create a template for watch files for kde-apps|kde-look pages ? ;)
01:10:57[ Atomo64] pusling: I find it difficult to implement, specially because uscan wants to find a URI, not just upstream's version
01:11:18[ luk] Atomo64: mass filing bugs is discussed on debian-devel and only done after rough consensus...
01:11:19[ Atomo64] and all links in kde-{apps,look} to the download pages go trough their downloads counter
01:12:24[ Atomo64] luk: ok, atm I've only sent one bug report so it can't count as mass bugs reporting :) I'll post a message on -devel then
01:13:27[ pusling] Atomo64: is it broken watchfiles or missing watch files you are reporting?
01:14:29[ Atomo64] pusling: only broken; if I were to report about missing watch files... that would indeed be MASSIVE ;)
01:15:21[ Atomo64] according to DEHS there are over 3k packages with missing debian/watch files :)
01:17:09[ pusling] Atomo64: if you create easy templates for kde-apps|kde-look I might add watch files to some of my packages.
01:19:27[ Atomo64] pusling: are the .orig's of your packages only hosted at kde-*.org? like I said, it is difficult to implement; all I could try to do is contact the kde-* people and see if they can add a directory listing for the files hosted for a given package
01:21:30[ pusling] Atomo64: they are changing pretty often. something that parses the html from the kde-look pages is needed
01:24:54[ Atomo64] pusling: the problem is not detecting the new version, but the file containing the new source. I could write a script which parses the pages from kde-* and display some dl links, but I wouldn't tell for sure that the first download link in the site is the link to the right file
01:25:22[ pusling] nope. needs manual interaction
01:26:06[ Atomo64] that's the problem
01:27:23[ Atomo64] if I suceed to mail all the reports about the bogus debian/watch file I'll then give a try to fill bug reports for packages without debian/watch files but with a valid watch file generated by DEHS' watch wizard :)
01:27:59 * pusling uses other sources to check up wether his packages are up to date
01:29:33[ Atomo64] subscribing to the package on kde-*?
01:30:08[ pusling] reading the -apps and -look rss feed
01:32:07[ Atomo64] I think it would be better to get notified via the BTS; so even if a new maintainer maintains the package he won't need to subscribe or do anything else
01:49:19[ pusling] Atomo64: by the way, be prepared to changelog entries like: * Remove watch file (Closes: nnnnn)
01:53:39[ Atomo64] pusling: I'd be funny if later my other script (which will report about valid debian/watch files generated by the watch wizard) sends a report to the same package :)
01:54:31[ pusling] I don't think missing watchfiles is a bug.
01:55:11[ Atomo64] pusling: that would be a severity: wishlist, of course 
01:55:31[ pusling] it would be severity :notabug
01:56:12[ Atomo64] that doesn't exist, does it? oO'
01:56:23[ Atomo64] hmm, nevermind...
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02:15:52[ Atomo64] for those who are interested, I already posted to debian-devel@l.d.o
02:16:03[ Atomo64] bye all
02:17:31[ KiBi] o/ dd-list is your friend.
02:18:24[ KiBi] RESOLVED as NOTABUG exists, yes.
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09:08:54[ KiBi] Would it be possible to please orphan all packages of mmagallo@debian.org?
09:09:16[ pabs] MIA?
09:10:10[ KiBi] For several months, if it is not years.
09:10:26[ pabs] :(
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09:26:45[ tarzeau] KiBi: i'd welcome that as well
09:27:13[ tarzeau] and peter gervai!
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09:58:52[ luk_work] please mail mia@qa.debian.org for these
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10:05:20[ tarzeau] luk_work: i did for peter gervai
10:05:28[ tarzeau] KiBi: you do mmagallo one?
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12:03:51[ tarzeau] can i adopt xmp ?
13:10:39[ KiBi] tarzeau: I was more thinking about sleeping a bit, actually.
13:11:06[ tarzeau] KiBi: i can send the mail too?
13:11:15[ tarzeau] KiBi: i'll cc you, if that's ok?
13:12:33[ KiBi] tarzeau: Sure, go ahead, please.
13:12:52[ KiBi] You can mention the mesa case, taken over by XSF.
13:13:12[ KiBi] (Just after etch was released, after a series of NMUs.)
13:14:13[ tarzeau] KiBi: sent, you've got mail
13:14:47[ KiBi] Yup, thanks.
13:16:25[ pusling] lucas: Jamie Wilkinsons seems to be reactin quite aggressivley
13:17:23[ KiBi] O RLY?
13:17:36[ KiBi] We TTLY didn't notice.
13:27:00[ KiBi] lucas: FWIW (and since we already talked about that), I'm not a subscriber of -qa@.
13:28:21[ KiBi] *now, even, which makes more sense.
13:45:02[ lucas] KiBi: would be easier if you subscribed, so I don't have to remember to Cc you all semi-important stuff about the QA meeting
13:45:13[ lucas] there's not much traffic on the list anyway
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19:16:02[ KiBi] lucas: I told you, I am *now* (and no longer not :p).
19:18:16[ lucas] ah ok
19:18:19[ lucas] you said not
19:18:20[ lucas] :)
19:22:15[ ana] qa meeting will be surely in Merida \o/ nicer city in Extremadura
19:22:41[ KiBi] heh, kewl
19:23:35[ KiBi] ana: /me wonders whether getting there from Lisboa would be quicker. :p
19:24:11[ ana] KiBi: might be, but you won't have a direct paid bus from merida
19:24:58[ KiBi] :)
19:25:16[ ana] s/from/to/
19:26:51[ ana] KiBi: according to google maps, lisbon is 1 hour less
19:27:29[ ana] 189 km, about 2 hours 5 mins for me
19:29:51[ HE] So we now have a target, just need flights
19:30:54[ ana] HE: AFAIK, that will be buy by cesar
19:31:33[ HE] Yeah, it's just that the actual date is quite close now and I have not even a confirmation that I'm going to get a flight #)
19:32:22[ ana] HE: i'm not sure your whole name will fit in the boarding card
19:32:26 * ana runs and hides
19:32:31[ HE] That's OK.
19:32:57[ Myon] how many forenames does he have?
19:33:07[ HE] Only 3.
19:33:31[ Myon] ana: tell them to print "HE Brockschmidt"
19:33:33[ dato] are they all ascci compliant?
19:33:56[ HE] Yes
19:34:15[ HE] Myon: Last time I had Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt on my boarding card...
19:34:18[ ana] Myon: if he has a passport saying the same...
19:34:23[ ana] HE: LOL
19:34:33[ ana] funny :)
19:34:57[ HE] Yeah, someone just pasted it from somewhere. It was a bit comlicated because at the airport, they wanted to know what the 'HE' meant and why they couldn't find it in my ID card
19:35:26[ ana] what did you tell them?
19:35:41[ HE] "I didn't buy the tickets. I'm sorry."
19:36:35[ ana] "hey look, my looong surname is still well written"
19:37:05[ ana] if cesar pastes it this time again, you'll have all your names
19:39:00[ pusling] how many names does HE have ?
19:39:24[ HE] Enough.
19:39:48[ ana] pusling: 1 less than you
19:40:40[ pusling] hmm... Marc "HE" Brockschmidt is 3. Just like my full name
19:40:58[ ana] HE: seriously, your 2nd name is nice :)
19:42:45[ HE] ana: I've never felt the urge to use one of the others, I'm quite fine with Marc. The only times I use the others is for testing ID-processing systems, they usually get the full set of all permutations of my names
19:43:41[ ana] HE: lucky you, everytime i skip my second name my mom gets angry
19:44:00[ Ganneff] dont tell her. problem solved.
19:44:00[ Ganneff] :)
19:44:36[ ana] Ganneff: i do not tell her, she finds out !
19:44:50[ Ganneff] stalker
19:45:07[ ana] Ganneff: no :) debian user
19:45:21[ KiBi] ahah
19:45:46[ pusling] ana: just go by your alter ego "Beatriz Lopez"  ;)
19:46:19[ ana] pusling: i hate the name Beatriz
19:47:30[ dato] my mom gets annoyed I don't use my second family name (hers)
19:48:06[ Ganneff] i am lucky that i have exactly one first and one surname. nothing else. absolutely damn simple.
19:48:22[ ana] dato: i think that is pretty habitual
19:48:34[ ana] Ganneff: and a nickname?
19:49:13 * ana mails cesarto write Joerg "Ganneff" Jaspert
19:49:14[ Ganneff] ana: well. sure, thats how people online know me, but thats nothing that appears in my normal life. or where my mother insists on. she doesnt even know it :)
19:49:17[ dato] ana: I'm saving it for when I want to disappear: I'll change my name and change the order of my surnames, and voilà :)
19:49:41[ luk] Ganneff: same for me, simple and short
19:50:24[ Ganneff] well. except for my worklplace - lots of people from within LH of which i mostly never heard visit my desk there just to say "Hi Ganneff". or call me.
19:50:41[ Q_] Ganneff: So how does your mother call you? :)
19:51:17[ Ganneff] Q_: you know, there is that thing sometimes called first name, fore name, given name or something similar.
19:51:58[ HE] Myon: BTW, will you be in the office on Wednesday? I'm planning to spread terror again :)
19:52:21 * Ganneff goes to make dinner
19:52:22[ Ganneff] njam
19:53:23[ Q_] Ganneff: Ussually people only get called by all their first names when someone's angry with them.  Do you make your mother angry? :)
19:55:53[ ana] Q_: i think most of moms do not call their "children", they just command, they do not say "$NAME come", it is more like "Come, now"
19:56:20 * dato was called by everybody "dato" since he was 0.
19:56:49[ Ganneff] dato: i bet that has a little to do with the length of your firstname! (ha, im good!) :)
19:57:02[ ana] dato: and when you grew up, we started calling you datito
19:57:02[ dato] Ganneff: :)
19:57:08[ Q_] Ana: How many times do you get called Ana Beatriz?
19:57:21[ ana] Q_: all my family
19:57:30[ ana] Q_: even some friends
19:57:31[ Ganneff] hrm. so whenever i want to annoy ana - i just call her beatziz.
19:57:34 * Ganneff makes mental note
19:57:48[ Ganneff] (and another mental note about spelling)
19:58:14[ ana] Ganneff: well, with your german accent i won't understand you
19:58:15[ Q_] Ana: I guess it's a little different around here.
19:58:31[ ana] actually, i have a aunt who insist in calling me ana patricia, but well, i do not count her as family =)
19:58:31[ Ganneff] beatriz: okok.
19:58:31[ Ganneff] :)
19:59:16[ Q_] We can have 1 or more first names, but ussually people only use 1 name for you, which might not even be any of those.
19:59:21[ ana] Ganneff: only if i can get an alias beatriz@d.o :P
19:59:30[ Ganneff] ana: not until i have ganneff@
19:59:40[ ana] ooh
20:01:37[ luk] Ganneff: why didn't you choose that in the first place?
20:01:38[ Q_] Ana: But if your mother or something would call you when she's angry at you, she might use all your first names.
20:02:06[ dato] Q_: I think that's pretty much universal :)
20:02:12[ ana] Q_: but she uses it all always, so no differentce :)
20:09:53[ Ganneff] luk: because back then i didnt use ganneff that much
20:28:53[ Myon] HE: fear and loathing in Mönchengladbach?
20:29:14[ HE] Myon: Yeah, still busy buying the needed drugs
20:29:36[ Myon] can I be your attorney then?
20:30:09[ Myon] or whatever the profession of the other guy was
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00:12:54[ tarzeau] is deek@debian.org possibly MIA?
00:13:26[ tarzeau] he used to be on irc, but suddenly disappeared (i can't tell since when exactly)
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11:51:28[ tiCo] Mhm
11:51:43[ tiCo] tarzeau has orphaned dillo, if you look at the bugs... Wouldn't it be better to RM it?
11:51:49[ tiCo] Seems to have a dead upstream
11:52:10[ Myon] some people like it, afaict
11:52:32[ Myon] look at the popcon numbers
11:54:58[ pusling] it starts faster than any other browser
11:56:04[ Rhonda] Well, if it's quite buggy it can start as fast as it want ...
11:57:00[ Myon] tiCo: just wait a bit to see if someone picks it up
11:57:12[ pusling] it isn't that buggy, it just doesn't support neither css nor javascript
11:57:58[ tarzeau] pusling: links2 -g is faster, no?
11:58:13[ pusling] tarzeau: dunno.
11:59:04[ tiCo] Myon: I had a look at the popcon stats... But I want to see the guy who picks it up and makes it almost bugfree :)
11:59:33[ tarzeau] dillo is gtk1 ...
12:00:06[ Myon] #354494: dillo: I am sorry for my last report 
12:00:13[ Myon] that sounds easy to fix
12:02:21[ pusling] and there is also 9 patches
12:03:29[ tarzeau] pusling: of which some are not available anymore
12:03:53[ tarzeau] and there's many bugs reported, when asking if it's still valid for the submitters with current versions, there's no more replies/answers 
12:04:14[ pusling] tarzeau: then it is easy t oclose them ;)
12:04:21[ tarzeau] pusling: go ahead
12:04:37[ tarzeau] the patch of joe* didn't work, so i didn't apply it
12:04:39[ pusling] nah. too gtkish for me.
12:04:56[ pusling] tarzeau: then the maintainer is supposed to tag -patch
12:10:43[ tarzeau] pusling: joe* patch is not in the bts
12:13:09[ tarzeau] pusling: i've updated 154472 i think
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12:59:36 * h01ger likes dillo
13:03:35[ pusling] adopt it!!11
13:21:03[ tarzeau] h01ger: but have you tried links2 -g ?
13:30:24[ h01ger] no, too busy :-D
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02:39:37[ Atomo64] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=dehs-no-upstream;users=atomo64@gmail.com 315 bugs and increasing :)
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10:29:59[ lucas] I just commited rebuild results for yesterday
10:30:17[ lucas] there are ~120 new failures, I won't have time to take a look today
10:30:22[ lucas] maybe tonight or tomorrow
10:30:27[ lucas] so feel free to give it a try
10:30:54[ lucas] if someone who never did this want to try, I can give directions on how to proceed, too :-)
10:31:14[ tarzeau] i'd like autogenerated menu+desktop files, autogenerated dehs watch fiels
10:32:36[ tarzeau] and updated http://wagner-xen1.debian.org/~thuriaux-guest/qa/mia.html pages
10:32:48[ tarzeau] can someone help me get the scripts.tar.gz from http://wagner-xen1.debian.org/~thuriaux-guest/qa working?
10:33:03[ tarzeau] it almost works but i get some funky perl error msgs that i can't fix/understand
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11:07:16[ pusling] tarzeau: I have a desktop2menu script
11:07:39[ tarzeau] pusling: i have menu files but no desktop files...
11:08:24[ tarzeau] pusling: do packages exist that have desktop files but no menu files?
11:08:53[ pusling] tarzeau: Not when they enter.  But upstream is usually delivering desktop files
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21:54:48[ tarzeau] Myon: here?
21:57:51[ Myon] sometimes
21:58:32[ tarzeau] Myon: instead of ddpo_* a file with     email;realname;source package names   would be perfect (no need to differentiate main/contrib/non-free)
21:58:52[ tarzeau] then i can get rid of the buggy grep thing you've seen
21:59:19[ tarzeau] and then the biggest part is the qa pages, let me think of some data file with the data i need
21:59:45[ tarzeau] having those i can get rid of number_of_maintainers * 4   wgets
22:00:01[ Myon] that's easy to extract from Sources.gz
22:00:12[ tarzeau] ah, wait then you don't have to make a fiel
22:00:15[ tarzeau] i can do it?
22:00:32[ tarzeau] or wait, if you can do it it's easier, it's a multiline record file
22:03:49[ tarzeau] well i just need one file with these records:
22:06:00[ tarzeau] maintainer email; number nmu uploads; number of sponsored uploads; number of source packages; number of binary packages; number of ITP bugs; number of RFP bugs; number of outstanding bugs; n of resolved bugs; n of forwarded bugs; n of fixed bugs (total including archived etc)
22:06:05[ tarzeau] Myon: that's all :)
22:06:49[ Myon] no idea if bug counts are available via bts2ldap
22:07:10[ tarzeau] can you get all bugs listed?
22:07:28[ tarzeau] of a maintainer , then it's easy to just pipe it through | wc -l?
22:08:31[ tarzeau] and do you think i should link/put this somewhere? i need for the latest upload filed: http://krum.ethz.ch/mia/scripts/results/mia.html
22:08:40[ tarzeau] i think i'll generate it weekly, or daily
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23:56:28[ Myon] ender looks overloaded, if someone wants to mia-ping him
23:58:06[ damog] someone please mia-ping me
23:58:08[ damog] ;)
23:59:18[ Myon] you all have too many surnames
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00:00:23[ HE] Pfff
00:01:22[ luk] Myon: ender pongs on IRC
00:01:42[ Myon] that doesn't make his packages less RC-buggy
00:02:33[ luk] though apparantly it's another ender ;-)
00:02:50[ dato] ender is Jo-Con-El{,_}
00:03:20[ luk] thought so, but I saw there was an ender online
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00:08:35[ pusling] isn't ender and damog twins? ;)
00:10:22[ damog] We could be.
00:12:12[ luk] no, they don't look the same :-)
00:12:35[ luk] they don't even look like they could be brothers...
00:12:47 * pusling remember seeing both some months ago
00:17:49[ damog] :)
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03:51:50[ pabs] hmm, mia-query --help claims to have a -l/--log option, but it tracebacks when used
04:00:05[ pabs] ah, it is commented out
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15:31:04[ tarzeau] Myon: ping, what do you think about the data?
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19:42:59[ Jon] would a member of the QA please consider reading #450720 (request for removal of lxdoom) and append RoQA to the title? cheers
19:44:54[ zobel] Jon: go ahead and do it yourself
19:45:08[ zobel] QA is a "we all can do QA work"
19:45:42[ Jon] hmm well ok; I just thought perhaps smoeone experienced in removals might want to do it
19:45:46[ Jon] I will do though, cheers
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03:51:22[ pabs] hmm, I wonder if anyone would mind a QA upload for a minor but extremely annoying and ancient bug (#305288)
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10:44:29[ luk] pabs: libmcrypt is not orphaned, so one can't do a QA upload?
10:46:42[ pusling] but one cane NMU ...
10:59:19[ luk] or inform MIA Team by e-mail if there is reason to believe the maintainer is inactive...
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12:36:51[ abi] lucas: what about having a piuparts run?
12:37:42[ ana] abi: i think lucas is in VAC
12:37:54[ abi] ah, too bad :/
14:38:08[ tarzeau] would it be ok to replace/remove links, in favour of links2 ?
14:38:33[ tarzeau] (it's the same upstream, the changelogs look similar, and links 2.x can run in textmode like 1.x too)
15:00:41[ pusling] links maintainer at least looks like he needs some mia-tracking
15:02:47[ tarzeau] pusling: i had reported him several times i think
15:03:04[ pusling] okay
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19:29:26[ tiCo] pusling, tarzeau: links will be orphaned tomorrow... will check it again but i didn't get any reply etc.
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05:18:48[ Atomo64] pusling: you were right, see the last message of http://bugs.debian.org/450039
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08:32:06[ tiCo] Hmmm ok... I plan to orphan links and elinks in a few hours since the maintainer is MIA... tarzeau would like to package links2 in the links package... Any objections? (quite high popcon)
10:11:18[ tiCo] Hmmm ok - no single answer... Orphaning links and elinks
11:23:51[ Rhonda] Andrew Mitchell <ajmitch@gnu.org> seems to be MIA
11:27:57[ Rhonda] There are some long standing bugreports on his packages with patches, some of his packages aren't in testing for ages, ..
11:28:21[ HE] Rhonda: 2007-10-18: prod, unresponsive; {from adn+deb@diwi.org}
11:28:50[ Rhonda] Ah, alright.
11:28:50[ pusling] Rhonda: how is your irssi comaintainance by the way going ?
11:30:22[ Rhonda] pusling: I would say not too bad. I left it a bit dangling, and am planing to propably put it into colab-maint svn. I am just pulling from svn usually anyway, not using the svn checkout directly in my package builds, so I don't see too much problem with people uncarefully stumbling over my stuff.
11:31:04[ Rhonda] Plan to leave it dangling some more days so that the closed bugs can get archived and don't pop up at me again. ;)
11:31:14[ pusling] heh.
11:31:47[ Rhonda] At least a nice bunch of them should get archived within the next few days.
11:32:03 * pusling just saw the irssi maintainer was quite high in the waiting-for-AM queue
11:32:25[ Rhonda] And I think I have a good communication with upstream too, which helps.
11:33:08[ Rhonda] It's ... strange. I have no problem whatsever with getting JDs attention. Well, I don't have too high expectations of him doing stuff, but still ...
11:34:29[ Rhonda] Hmm, is Günter Geiger in MIA?
11:34:50[ Rhonda] X-MIA: Not in database
11:34:54 * Rhonda scratches her head.
11:35:10 * pusling has seen gunter geiger mentioned before.
11:35:54[ Rhonda] Propably will send him a ping about #418697 again.
11:37:06[ pusling] he did a upload on at least october 21
11:37:17[ pusling] so he doesn't look MIA, just too many rc bugs
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11:48:27[ Rhonda] Ah, here we are. I wonder how long it will take until I remember the window number in my irssi ...
11:48:42[ HE] 24 is easy, I think :-P
11:50:59[ Rhonda] 54 ...
11:51:26[ Rhonda] But I propably will rearange it to somewhere more at the front, I feel quite attached to it.
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12:52:41[ pusling] Rhonda: so we just need to hilight you everytime so you can find back? ;)
12:58:46[ Rhonda] pusling: Will propably help at times, yes.  *gg*
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18:03:51[ nion] can you orphan vobcopy? there is one unimportant security issue unfixed, a dozen bug reports, a popcon count of 1000 and an inactive maintainer
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18:31:17[ Myon] including the one you just submitted?
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18:33:17[ Myon] nion: is it urgent?
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18:33:46[ Myon] sgbirch is kind of my nm, I'll prod him in the near future anyway
18:37:25[ nion] its not that urgent, it would be one item less on our todo list for testing security. but a wishlist bug for a new upstream release older than a year without a comment of the maintainer is really bad. so i think its sufficient if you put it somewhere on the todo :)
18:39:02[ nion] just wanted to be sure someone is aware of the situation
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05:50:19[ stew] in reading the documentation in the wiki about requesting removal of a package, it says that the bug should be titled, "RM: $PACKAGE [$ARCHITECTURES] -- $REASONS" and gives a list of possible reasons (such as RoM, RoQA, etc).  If none of those reasons are appropriate, is it ok to omit that part?
05:52:21[ stew] for instance a non-buggy orphaned package for which i'm not the maintainer.  so RoM isn't appropriate, i'm not a member fo the qa team so RoQA isn't appropriate, nothing loke NBS NVIA is appropriate...
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09:26:46[ HE] stew: Everyone is a member of the QA team
09:41:39[ abi] lucas: piuparts run? :)
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13:07:10[ tarzeau] stew: ivman?
13:10:18[ tarzeau] i still wonder what would be the best to get rid of binary packages: links-ssl, links2, and put the links2 sources into links... 
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18:33:16[ lucas] abi: I'm in VAC
18:33:50[ lucas] also, I ran a test for luk a few weeks ago, but results haven't been analyzed yet.
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19:04:05[ abi] ah
19:04:09[ abi] lucas: enjoy
19:04:32[ abi] luk_: are you analyzing the results via collab-qa or is this release team private :)?
19:05:16[ luk_] I'm not analyzing them atm due to lack of time
19:05:29[ luk_] especially now that all our stuff on ries has been lost :-(
19:10:50[ pusling] *cough*backup*cough*
19:11:36 * ana gags pusling 
19:13:05[ pusling] sarry. got a bad cough today ,)
19:13:36 * dato had a find ~ -ls and a bzr branch \o/
19:14:06[ luk_] no, no backup for these and will not change in the near future probably...
19:14:57[ luk_] though we will start using a VCS for these so we have at least something 
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21:55:15[ tarzeau] is oku@debian.org mia?
21:59:17[ adn] tarzeau: his email bounces
22:00:34[ tarzeau] adn: i badly want a new memtester version
22:00:51[ tarzeau] adn: #330126 is VERY old
22:01:20[ tarzeau] i wouldn't mind maintaining it. likewise with openmovieeditor
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22:39:45[ luk] pusling: why is your surname spelled as Vuorelae in desktop2menu.pl while it is spelled as Vuorela in here?
22:40:27[ pusling] luk: eh? must be a typo in the script
22:40:59[ luk] it was twice in the script and once in the changelog, so I'll fix it
22:41:26[ pusling] yeah. I screwed up in my original script
22:42:31[ adsb] Sorry, I just copied it from the script ;p
22:42:46[ adsb] I assumed you could spell your own name ;)
22:43:11[ pusling] adsb: ;)  please note that I wrote that I screwed up ;)
22:43:15[ luk] apparantly the script makes libfile-desktopentry-perl a new build depends of devscripts...
22:43:42[ adsb] pusling: I know :)
22:43:47[ adsb] luk: Why a build-dep?
22:43:53[ pusling] luk: runtime-dep ?
22:44:05[ luk] perl -c during build
22:44:09[ adsb] The runtime side should be covered, it's in suggests
22:44:11[ adsb] Ugh
22:44:56[ luk] sed -e "s/###VERSION###/2.10.11/" desktop2menu.pl  > desktop2menu.tmp
22:44:56[ luk] perl -I.. -c desktop2menu.tmp
22:44:56[ luk] desktop2menu.tmp: you must have the libfile-desktopentry-perl package installed
22:44:56[ luk] to use this script
22:44:56[ luk] BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at desktop2menu.tmp line 77.
22:44:56[ luk] make[2]: *** [desktop2menu.tmp] Error 2
22:46:36[ adsb] Hmmm, why doesn't the liburi-perl check in rmadison do the same?
22:46:38 * adsb looks
22:47:33[ luk] maybe it does
22:48:08[ adsb] Possibly. If so the package hasn't been built anywhere that doesn't have liburi-perl installed for quite a while
22:50:13[ luk] liburi-perl is a dependency of svn-buildpackage...
22:50:44[ luk] and from libwww-perl which is a build-dep...
22:50:58[ adsb] Ah
22:52:07[ luk] I have nothing against adding the build dependency on both...
22:52:55[ adsb] Ideally we should really have the liburi-perl one so we're not relying on transitive dependencies
22:53:42[ adsb] and libf-de-perl appears to have no dependencies other than perl, so go for it
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23:02:58[ dato] what's the perl -I.. -c for?
23:03:15[ dato] ah
23:03:19[ dato] syntax check
23:04:44[ luk] indeed
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01:14:27[ Atomo64] how's this possible? the text doesn't really make any sense http://packages.debian.org/shfs
01:16:18[ adsb] "Your search was too vague so we've discarded anything that's not an exact match. There were no exact matches"
01:22:22[ Atomo64] adsb: there's a source package which is an exact match
01:23:02[ pabs] http://packages.debian.org/src:shfs works
01:23:05[ adsb] Indeed, but the default is binary packages
01:23:14[ adsb] Or do that :)
01:24:22[ Atomo64] maybe I should send a feature request :)
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02:34:05[ ana] last line at http://qa.debian.org/howto.html is kind of funny...
02:34:14[ ana] "All public relations of Debian (press releases, Debian Weekly News, other news, security announces)."
02:34:23[ ana] i do not consider that qa task :-)
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02:57:24[ lucas] the QA website should probably be reworked
02:57:37[ lucas] can you add an item to the meeting schedule about that?
03:10:58[ Atomo64] hi all, I'm planning to start mass bug filing about lintian-thrown errors, I still haven't wrote the lintian html reports parser so there's nothing to worry about, yet (JK, I will bring this topic in -devel and -qa before doing any reporting), any feedback? :)
03:11:48[ lucas] probably not a good idea, unless you target only 2-3 very critical errors
03:11:52[ lucas] (at a time)
03:13:02[ lucas] when you do raise it on -devel, please provide some examples of what you will report (with number of bugs)
03:14:04[ Atomo64] I've planned to start filing reports for out-of-date-standards-version; I believe the maintainer of affected packages will take a look at other errors/warnings thrown by lintian before uploading, thus reducing the number of other reports that need to be sent
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03:14:16[ Atomo64] sure
03:14:23[ lucas] Atomo64: do you have access to gluck.d.o ? (are you a DD ?)
03:14:37[ lucas] if you are, /org/lintian.d.o might be useful
03:15:08[ Atomo64] lucas: no, and no (I haven't even sent my NM application, mainly because no DD has signed my key yet, something I hope to occur in December)
03:15:25[ lucas] it would be better to submit bugs of high severity
03:15:33[ lucas] like serious policy violations
03:15:56[ lucas] outdated standard version is not really a policy violation
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03:16:21[ lucas] Atomo64: where on earth are you?
03:16:58[ Atomo64] lucas: there's this other lintian warning about missing man pages for files in bin and sbin, but I really don't remember if the policy says a package SHOULD or MUST provide them
03:17:19[ Atomo64] lucas: Mexico (and Mexico City is 4 hours away from where I live)
03:18:09[ lucas] ok
03:18:11[ Atomo64] the other day I manually sent some reports for things like debian-files-list-in-source, e.g.  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451061
03:19:51[ lucas] is the ID check required to *start* the NM process? can't you start NM, and complete the ID check later?
03:20:22[ pabs] it usually is, but there is the option to do it later
03:22:43[ Atomo64] the other day (one or two weeks ago now) I talked to anibal about my NM application, but I was wondering what is going to happen because I'm a maintainer for only four months
03:23:55[ Atomo64] btw, I know all of these reports are severity=minor, but I believe in the end they will make some difference
03:36:04[ Atomo64] interesting changelog entry: http://bugs.debian.org/449947 "Removed watch file as upstream seems to be dead" and "Changed debian/control file to use the new Homepage field"
03:39:24[ pabs] hmm, I wonder if that is the same nenolod who is in #-devel sometimes
03:41:26 * pabs messages him
03:41:59[ pabs] quite a pair of changes isn't it Atomo64 :)
03:43:23[ Atomo64] hehe
03:45:28 * Atomo64 found out what he meant: http://audacious-media-player.org/Audtty
03:46:00[ Atomo64] that seems to be the website, but it throws a 404 (altough he added the Homepage entry)
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05:22:45[ KiBi] ID check does not have to happen before you send answers to P&P…
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05:34:54[ Atomo64] can I submit by application even before I haven't confirmed my advocate?
05:35:07[ Atomo64] *even before I confirm
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06:19:50[ KiBi] Atomo64: Yes.
06:20:17[ KiBi] Atomo64: You'll be put on hold after some weeks w/o advocate, though.
06:22:51[ Atomo64] KiBi: ok, thanks. I'll take a picture of an ID, sign it and submit my application :)
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06:26:09[ KiBi] Ah, maintenance-time.
06:26:38[ KiBi] Atomo64: as for the MBF, I wouldn't advise doing so, as suggested by lucas.
06:26:52[ KiBi] (Unless you're in the case of RC bugs.)
06:27:11[ KiBi] Outdated standards is a way to detect work-needing packages and possibly MIA maintainers.
06:34:09[ Atomo64] KiBi: well, if all those reports are filed and after a month or two they aren't fixed then you got a MIA maintainer 
06:34:45[ pusling] Atomo64: nope. it isn't worth to do a upload to bump the standards version.
06:34:57[ pusling] waste of developer time, waste of buildd time, waste of buildd maintainer time.
06:35:14[ Atomo64] there are also other errors/warnings I want to fill reports about: binary-without-manpage, menu-item-creates-new-section (helping the new Debian menu subpolicy transition), depends-on-essential-package-without-using-version
06:35:32[ KiBi] Blah, better write manpages.
06:35:44[ pusling] binary-without-manpage is only valid bug reports if a manpage is attached.
06:35:52[ KiBi] pusling: You lag. :p
06:35:59[ pusling] yeah
06:36:14[ Atomo64] pusling: they don't need to make an upload only because of it, marking it as pending would be enough
06:36:16[ KiBi] The menu transitions are long-run transition, no hurry about that.
06:36:27[ KiBi] +s
06:36:48[ KiBi] I'm undecided about the last one, since I didn't encounter it yet.
06:37:16[ pusling] Atomo64: it looks like you think most debian maintainers do have plenty of extra spare time to constantly fix non-issues
06:37:28[ Atomo64] and about missing man pages: I don't think I'll have time to write all those man pages, so I'd better fill the reports and then write some of them
06:37:52[ pusling] Atomo64: lintian warns about missing manpages. Most developers knows they miss them. No need to tell them again
06:37:59[ KiBi] Blah, there's lintian.d.o already…
06:38:17[ KiBi] (In case someone else than the maintainers want to know about them)
06:38:40[ pusling] Atomo64: you are most welcome to write manpages for the kde team
06:40:30[ Atomo64] KiBi: lintian.d.o would be the data source for my reports, the problem is that some maintainers do not care about lintian's tests; By filling bug reports they would be reminded to fix them
06:40:41[ Atomo64] because those messages aren't thrown because of nothing
06:41:35[ Atomo64] they all have a reason, and that reason is that something isn't the way it SHOULD (I still think missing man pages should be a MUST)
06:42:11[ pusling] Atomo64: what do you prefer? a updated, bugfixed kde without manpages - or a ancient, buggy kde with manpages ?
06:42:33[ KiBi] Bug the policy, then.
06:42:43[ Atomo64] pusling: as I said, I will help with that, the same way I'll help some maintainers fix their debian/watch files; but I first want to send the reports so the overall work doesn't depend on the person (or people) who care about that kind of things
06:43:10[ KiBi] Well, ask -devel, but I'm quite certain of the outcome of the manpage thingy.
06:44:22[ Atomo64] pusling: for kde there's already kdemangen.pl (which is quite strange it has a .pl extension; AFAIR using extensions for files in bin and sbin is a should not, if not a must not)
06:45:08[ pusling] Atomo64: any autogenerated manpage is just a skeleton for the real manpage, so it does only make the job a bit easier, but not enough
06:47:48[ Atomo64] pusling: it does a nice job when ran from the debian/ directory
06:48:31[ Atomo64] but indeed, those generated man pages are more a skeleton than a man page, hehe
06:49:21[ pusling] so it might save you 3 minutes of the at least 30 minutes it takes to write a proper manpage
06:49:25[ Atomo64] ok, maybe filling reports about missin man pages isn't the best thing to do: egrep "^[ \t]*W:[ \t]+" Tbinary-without-manpage.html  | wc -l : 2940
06:53:55[ pusling] just start from the top and write man pages and file bugs ;)
06:54:21[ pusling] then in 3 years, you can start over and updating all of them ;)
06:55:02[ Atomo64] not so funny
06:55:03[ pusling] updating the manpages is also quite a problem occasionally.
06:55:23[ Atomo64] man pages should be provided by upstream
06:55:42[ Atomo64] or they should at least provide means to autogenerate them
06:55:59[ pusling] in perfectworld
06:58:51 * KiBi no longer counts the # of times he sent patches because upstream didn't update its own documentation (including manpages).
06:59:04[ lucas] Atomo64: you should really focus first on bugs that would be severity:serious. If you only report minor bugs about minor issues, why bother?
07:02:13[ Atomo64] lucas: those are just some of the tags that really require to be discussed, I guess nobody would object about reporting for errors like no-copyright-file
07:03:18[ lucas] KiBi: you never sleep? :)
07:03:45[ pusling] isn't missings copyright file a severity serious report ?
07:03:46[ KiBi] lucas: I did almost all day long already :(
07:03:51[ KiBi] pusling: sure
07:04:13[ KiBi] lucas: and currently having a so gross headache I'm not even thinking about being able to sleep.
07:04:29[ lucas] Atomo64: sure.
07:07:03[ Atomo64] lucas: I plan to write a script which takes a list of lintian-thrown messages, so it processes all those lists and fills the reports accordingly (based on templates for each lintian message)
07:08:25[ Atomo64] not-binnmuable-all-depends-any, no-standards-version-field, non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink, no-section-field, not-binnmuable-any-depends-all, etc ... all of those are more important than missing man pages. But as I said, I don't believe anyone would object about filling reports because of them
07:08:26[ KiBi] I still don't see the point
07:08:43[ Atomo64] KiBi: why not?
07:08:54[ Atomo64] I mean, what do you think?
07:09:11 * pusling agrees with KiBi 
07:09:37[ KiBi] If the maintainers would care about that, they would use lintian, and/or no longer ignore its output.
07:09:39[ lucas] Atomo64: please make 100% sure that lintian.d.o is up to date. I'm not sure it is. (see the problems with https support in uscan in your previous bug filing campain)
07:10:12[ pusling] isn't lintian.do running stable lintian ?
07:10:20[ KiBi] pusling: nah
07:10:51[ KiBi] An more-uptodate-than-stable's-but-not-everytime-the-one-from-unstable, I'd say.
07:10:53[ lucas] I'm on IPoDNS, so I'm not going to check
07:11:15[ KiBi] Page last updated: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:37:43 +0000 using Lintian 1.23.34
07:11:23[ Atomo64] lucas: lintian.d.o is currently using 	1.23.34, latest is 	1.23.36; I might then ping somebody before filling the reports
07:11:24[ KiBi]    lintian |    1.23.36 |      unstable | source, all
07:11:28[ KiBi]    lintian |    1.23.28 |        stable | source, all
07:11:51[ KiBi] Like, hrm, -devel?
07:11:52[ pusling] ah - isn't .34 the one with the completely broken desktop file check ?
07:12:23[ KiBi] pusling: .36->changelog_diff_from(.34)
07:12:27[ Atomo64] (btw, I'm really sorry about those reports caused by temporary failures and out-of-date uscan)
07:12:57[ KiBi] pusling: .36 is:    The "grand open change and desktop cleanup" release.
07:13:23[ pusling] heh.
07:13:25[ KiBi] .35's changelog is quite impressive.
07:13:29[ KiBi] I mean: really.
07:13:41[ lucas] Atomo64: also, note that filing bugs with a script is wrong anyway, since you might file duplicate bugs. You have to review the bugs for each package to avoid that.
07:14:04[ Atomo64] KiBi: I know maintainers should care about their packages, but based on those reports decissions such as orphaning, removing, etc a package can be made without having to check all the lintian/linda/etc reports since the most relevant ones would be already in the BTS
07:14:27[ KiBi] Atomo64: They are *already* on lintian.d.o…
07:15:19[ KiBi] Shouldn't be hard to improve the is-this-maintainer-mia tool to include that information, if needed.
07:15:42[ Atomo64] KiBi: hmm, I still believe those kind of reports should cause reports on the BTS; lintian.d.o and such only provide the information, but the bug does exist, and the bug should be reported on the BTS
07:18:06[ pusling] they should. in perfectworld. where people really cared and had the time to fix all sorts of those minor issues. but this isn't perfectworld
07:18:07[ Atomo64] bugs should be tracked at the BTS, not at foo.d.o, bar.d.o, moo.d.n, etc
07:19:12[ Atomo64] pusling: but trying to make it slightly less imperfect should be allowed
07:19:28[ KiBi] Atomo64: I'd rather really urge you to help fix RC bugz.
07:20:02[ Atomo64] KiBi: I do what I can, I've already fixed some apt-spy bugs
07:20:04[ KiBi] That would IMHO make better sense than reporting bugs already known, even if they are not known The Right Way©®™.
07:21:05[ Atomo64] but stressing my point: if I want to help fixing bugs I won't even try to track all the other non-reported bugs. Automating the bug reporting part would give a slisghtly better overview of the problematic
07:21:35[ pabs] hmm, interesting idea - autoincluding lintian reports on the bug pages at bugs.d.o
07:21:52[ pabs] perhaps ftbfs bugs too
07:21:52[ pusling] that would make much more sense.
07:21:59[ KiBi] Atomo64: We are talking about solving *RC* bugs instead of signaling minor ones…
07:22:27[ pusling] pabs: ftbfs bugs sholud be manually reported. most of the buildds failing is because of issues the maintainer can't do anything about.
07:22:33[ pusling] (eg uninstallable build-deps)
07:23:06[ KiBi] pabs: I've some random ideas in this aread, let's see what the QA meeting will bring in.
07:23:10[ KiBi] -d
07:23:22 * pabs wishes for a teleporter
07:23:51[ KiBi] alias teleporter=boeing
07:24:18[ Atomo64] KiBi: as I said before, I don't believe anyone would object about automagically reporting RC bugs, so stuff like packages with an old standards version is what really needs to be discussed before any further action is made
07:24:52 * KiBi gives up and opens =debian-bugs-rc instead.
07:26:56 * pusling reporst a rc bug against KiBi 
07:28:20 * KiBi fixse it and pusling's tyops.
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09:02:19[ ana] Atomo64: i think it is not worth it report bugs against lintian stuff....
09:02:43[ ana] Atomo64: if you really want to help with QA stuff:
09:03:03[ ana] a) fix RC bugs: send patches and ask for sponsoring here
09:03:17[ ana] b) review piuparts logs from latest lucas's run
09:04:04[ ana] c) look for obsolete/unmainaited packages
09:04:34[ ana] d) look at the bugs of the orphaned packages
09:04:40[ ana] e) look at bugs tagged with help
09:04:48[ ana] f) i think you have enough ideas above
09:06:22[ pusling] g) write missing manpages
09:06:28[ pusling] h) fix our bugs
09:15:56[ ana] pabs: the qa meeting is in the antipodes of north New Zealand, you only have to go there and start digging. you have a few weeks! :-)
09:20:52[ Atomo64] ana: the thing is: lintian already does a pretty good job at finding things that need to be fixed; by automating the process of reporting according to lintian's results it would be easier to know what needs to be fixed
09:21:05[ Atomo64] (and have that information at the right place: BTS=
09:21:07[ Atomo64] *)
09:21:23[ Atomo64] after that, bug fixing is done
09:21:57[ ana] Atomo64: "after that, bug fixing is done" no it is not :)
09:22:09[ ana] lintian reports a lot of false positives
09:22:27[ ana] if maintainers care to fix the rest of lintian warnings, they would do!
09:22:36[ Atomo64] ana: it depends on what the lintian check does
09:22:47[ ana] i'm not writing the zillion of manpages kde is missing
09:23:06[ pabs] ana: hehe :)
09:23:38[ Atomo64] some maintainers do no keep track of all the changes made, so, by filing reports on lintian's reports maintainers get notified about what they need to do
09:24:27[ Atomo64] and I'm not saying you have to write them (and if you read the chat log you'll find some things I said at least twice :))
09:25:21[ ana] Atomo64: hay millones de mejores cosas que hacer que eso, en serio
09:25:28[ Atomo64] (and btw, sorry if I'm being kind-of rude; I've been sleeping about 3-4 hours since sunday)
09:26:02[ ana] Atomo64: i just want to add my opinion to all the previous one telling you if you want to help, that is not the best way
09:26:50[ ana] if you file against KDE 3000 bugs with lintian warning, the only you'll do is make it even more unmanageable that already is
09:27:35[ Atomo64] ana: lo se, pero esto es cosa de escribir el/los scripts y dejar que hagan su trabajo, el cual es reportar los errores; una vez hecho eso ya me dedicaré a ayudar a corregirlo, pero no puedo ir uno por uno a ver si esta en una lista de errores o en otra o en otra, etc. Los errores deberían de estar en el BTS, para eso esta
09:28:12[ ana] Atomo64: as you have been told, those bugs should be check manually to avoid duplication
09:28:20[ ana] Atomo64: why lintian errors should be in the BS?
09:28:37[ Atomo64] I already noticed the amount of missing man pages, so I don't think I'll even ask about doing it
09:28:37[ ana] most of lintian output are "WARNING"
09:29:20[ Atomo64] ana: but in some ways they are bugs
09:30:01[ Atomo64] and as I already said, I'm trying to bring to dicussion those that really need to be discussed
09:30:16[ ana] Atomo64: as every mass filing bug, you should mail -devel and do not be surprised if the answers are not very warning
09:30:21 * ana goes for another coffee
09:30:35[ Atomo64] because I don't think there's any need to ask for reporting about policy violations
09:31:42[ Atomo64] ana: I know, but I believe some people will support some of my ideas and probably give me green light
09:33:36[ Atomo64] and if we start to automatically fill bug reports based on some lintian-thrown errors, people won't even need to manually report them (because of two reasons: 1. it would be useless to report twice, 2. the scripts might probably detect those problems before a human does)
09:35:38[ Atomo64] by automating most of the process people won't need to spend time reporting bugs since they would already be reported
09:35:52[ Atomo64] *have been
09:36:33[ Atomo64] leaving time for people to report bugs not related to the debian packaging and all the requirements
09:36:49[ Atomo64] *and its
09:37:04[ Atomo64] (I really need to get some rest, hehe)
09:39:52[ Atomo64] and of course, leave time for other bugs that aren't/can't be detected by lintian or similar tools
09:43:21[ Atomo64] In no way I'm trying to say that mass bug filing is "QA work", it is merely a "putting things in the right place": bug reports on the BTS
09:44:52[ Atomo64] people should not waste time by tracking all kind of reports, 'people' being either the maintainer/s, some person interested in QA, or anybody else
09:46:26[ Atomo64] that's all I'm trying to do; but of course, there are some reporting that really should be discussed (e.g. MBF about missing man pages) so the best decission is made
09:47:03[ HE] Automatically filing bugs based on lintian results is one of the best ways to get into the @gfuckheads list that is excluded from the BTS. lintian often "guesses" and warns so that the maintainer can decide if this is actually a problem, even if it isn't in a lot of cases.
09:48:31[ Atomo64] HE: that's why I would be picking some of the most important and accurate reports and doing some filtering on those reports could greatly (sadly but true: never perfect) reduce the number of false positives
09:49:29[ HE] Atomo64: A mass bug filing with a number of false positives (even if it small) will get you flamed, nothing more
09:49:37[ Atomo64] I'd find hard to think about a false positive report about a missing-copyright-file :)
09:50:02[ HE] Oh, that's one easy.
09:50:10 * pabs has one of those handy
09:50:29[ HE] foo-plugin depends on foo-core and symlinks /usr/share/doc/foo-plugin to /usr/share/doc/foo-core. Done
09:51:03[ pabs] even has an example in the archive, with a bug report: freetype #381228
09:51:18[ Atomo64] HE, AFAIR there's a copyright-is-symlink warning too
09:52:00[ HE] Atomo64: That's something completly different
09:52:19[ HE] Atomo64: Are you sure you are the right person to file bugs about lintian warnings if you have no clue what they mean?
09:53:47[ HE] Atomo64: I *am* a lintian comaintainer and do not believe that filing bugs based on automated lintian checks is a good idea.
09:55:33[ Atomo64] HE: my headache might make me say some not-so-accurate things, but no-copyright-file is only triggered when the .deb does not include a ./usr/share/doc/<pkg>/copyright file; it its not triggered by a missing debian/copyright file
09:57:20[ Atomo64] HE: if you believe that even filing bug reports based on pretty straightforward lintian-generated messages is something that shouldn't be done I won't do it
09:57:38[ Atomo64] I know there are people who know, a lot, more than me
09:57:59[ Atomo64] :)
09:58:15[ HE] Atomo64: Ehm, the missing debian/copyright file is from #381228, which was cited by pabs
09:59:09[ Atomo64] HE: freetype isn't displayed here: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tno-copyright-file.html
09:59:21[ HE] Atomo64: Once again: Not my example
09:59:54[ Atomo64] HE: sorry, missunderstood that
10:01:57[ Atomo64] HE: anyway, my question now is: would you recommend or not bug filing based on lintian-generated reports for straightforward things like the missing copyright file?
10:03:14[ pabs] some of those are kinda false positives; for example vlc depends on vlc-nox, which contains /usr/share/doc/vlc/copyright
10:04:19[ pabs] and wxvlc is a dummy package
10:04:21[ HE] Atomo64: No I won't, basically because "things like missing copyright file" is already wrong
10:04:33[ HE] Atomo64: gaim-otr and perl are false positives, I just checked manually
10:05:43[ Atomo64] hmm, ok
10:05:51[ HE] ifenslave is an empty package (EWTF?)
10:06:56[ Atomo64] you see??, reporting on them would have good side-effects :) (JK)
10:08:30[ HE] Well, half of the warnings on that list seem to be false positives. If you want to report bugs automatically, you will get flamed (and rightly so). If want to wade through them manually and check each one individually, it's no longer a MBF but usual QA work
10:09:39[ Atomo64] ok, thanks for your and everybody's time 
10:09:42[ HE] Yay, found a tar bar
10:09:46[ HE] s/bar/bug/
10:11:01[ Atomo64] by the way, what about these? http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tarch-independent-package-contains-binary-or-object.html
10:11:55[ HE] Completly valid
10:12:17[ HE] The use of binary objects, not the warnings...
10:12:39[ HE] Could you just *check* before asking?
10:12:47[ Atomo64] how's that?
10:13:09[ Atomo64] I mean, why should there be .so files in arch:all packages?
10:13:57[ HE] The *-libc packages contain files needed to develop software for microcontroller, including statically compiled libaries. They don't run on any of Debian's architectures and are used for cross-compiling, ie do the same on *all* architectures
10:14:19[ HE] A bios image for sparc is the same on all architectures...
10:14:55[ HE] Don't know about the oo.org thing right away, but I guess it's an internal form OO.org is using in virtual machine
10:15:26[ Atomo64] oh, ok
10:16:04 * Atomo64 wonders whether he should ask about http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tudeb-contains-documentation-file.html or not
10:45:47[ Atomo64] anyway, good night/morning all
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12:13:13[ tarzeau] HE: on all sparc architectures?
12:14:48[ tarzeau] not quite the same but anyways http://www.sunshack.org/data/bootroms.html
12:16:19[ tarzeau] i'd like updated openmovieplayer and memtester packages... 
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12:17:47[ tarzeau] is yooseong yang mia?
13:09:19[ nion] tarzeau: yes i think so, the account is also locked referring to mia-query
13:12:21[ tarzeau] nion: i see, ok thanks
14:08:31[ KiBi] I really don't see what sleep has to do with being rude, BTW.
14:08:45[ KiBi] Oh, Atomo64 left.
14:12:16[ ana] KiBi: i do not think he was being rude, just stubborn :)
14:12:30 * KiBi nods.
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15:15:34[ KiBi] ana: having a look at screem.
15:16:29[ KiBi] I'll do the menu+desktop updates, but not the standards-version + big-usr-share ones, since 1/ is a good indicator of the health of the package; 2/ is probably a package split and I'm not interested in doing so in an NMU.
15:17:06[ ana] KiBi: :?
15:17:25[ KiBi] ana: You asked me for a patch. :)
15:17:37[ KiBi] 444507
15:18:00[ ana] KiBi: ah ok :)
15:18:01[ ana] nice
15:18:13[ ana] "Could you send a real patch or just prepare a NMU? ;-)"
15:18:15[ ana] yes :-P
16:40:50[ luk] tiCo: can you take a look at William Vera's (billy@billy.com.mx) status and take appropriate action?
16:42:53[ tiCo] luk: jup... one moment
16:44:24[ luk] at least iirc-pana is a problem atm
16:44:56[ tiCo] luk: there were maintainer uploads this july... but is listed as very inactive in MIA and some packages have already orphaned
16:45:11[ tiCo] I guess another ping would be a good reason... X-MIA-Summary: prod :)
16:45:26[ tiCo] 3 RC bugs are not really nice...
16:45:34[ tiCo] luk: I send him another ping, k?
16:45:45[ luk] yes, he reappeared in July and was missing again from august on...
16:46:10[ ana] he is waiting for AM too...
16:46:27[ tiCo] I will CC the NM frontdesk in that case
16:46:32[ luk] yes, note that iirc-pana is asked to be removed by the testing-security team...
16:46:46[ ana] so a note there can be added <^-myon
16:47:53[ Myon] tiCo: yes, please do
16:48:31[ luk] I once got him as NM, though he didn't respond at all, I asked about him during Debconf 6 whereafter I decided to reject his application...
16:48:55[ Myon] oh, he was in NM before?
16:49:09[ luk] they seemed to know him, though couldn't reach him and didn't know his whereabouts
16:49:33[ luk] yep
16:49:44[ luk] I think damog was the one advocating him
16:49:58[ ana] now he has been advocated by gunnar
16:50:06[ Myon] that name kept ringing a bell here, but then I thought I'd mix him up with Willy Man
16:50:19[ Myon] I should trust my brain more
16:50:34[ luk] I think he has some activity birsts with big wholes in between...
16:53:16[ ana] now he has been advocated by gunnar
16:53:20[ ana] eer, sorry
16:54:43[ luk] ana: no need to be sorry :-)
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16:59:50[ tiCo] OK, pinged... CC to Myon and co.
17:00:03[ Myon] thanks
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01:35:58[ lucas] for those wondering, the QA meeting will take place for sure. the travel agency has all the info, and Cesar is only waiting for it to send flights info
01:36:20[ lucas] also, we will be in Merida, which is a very nice city (it seems)
01:42:40[ ana] it is
01:49:32[ KiBi] \o_ QA meeting
01:54:47[ lucas] and I'll probably be mostly offline starting tomorrow, but I'll try to read email every 2-3 days
01:55:08[ lucas] (tomorrow=friday)
02:23:23[ KiBi] bye bye lucas
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09:08:35[ KiBi] Orphanable package: tcpstat. New upstream version available since 200*3*.
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10:34:45[ Ganneff] how far away from madrid is merida?
10:35:42[ KiBi] Ganneff: 340km.
10:36:03[ Ganneff] so not as long bus trip as last year, but still some time.
11:22:59[ h01ger] will be in merida again?
11:23:11[ ana] h01ger: again for you, nto for us
11:23:12[ KiBi] 01:36:20 [ lucas] also, we will be in Merida, which is a very nice city (it seems)
11:23:42[ h01ger] merida is indeed very nice
11:24:59[ h01ger] just if we stay in the same hotel, i hope they've fixed their wireless, as they said. otherwise (or maybe still), a local mirror might be worth it. plus a ap in client mode, which bridges some wireless to lan..
11:26:19[ ana] h01ger: i guess they have some kind of agreement with the hotel, so surely it'll be the same, what hotel is?
11:37:52[ tiCo] How long does the bus trip take? :)
11:38:23[ ana] 4 hours at least
11:38:36[ tiCo] :-O
11:39:16[ tiCo] no helicopter for us?
11:41:33[ ana] heh, my trip will be shorter =)
11:41:45[ ana] at least i can go to merida by train
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12:01:53[ h01ger] ana, actually i wonder if it wouldnt be better if we'd all go by train :)
12:02:19[ h01ger] ana, veridas or something. 4 stars. nice. though the pool is closed :)
12:02:45[ ana] no pool in december, i'm going to cry =)
12:03:14[ ana] h01ger: because a bus is cheaper for them
12:03:37[ h01ger] well, in a train we could hack -> more value for the money
12:06:52[ ana] h01ger: was the meeting place very far from the hotel?
12:13:03[ h01ger] it was in the hotel
12:13:29[ ana] oh, great, so then it is worth fix/improve the wifi
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17:03:59 * buxy tried mailing mia-emfox=debian.org@qa.debian.org a while ago but my mail doesn't appear in mia-query emfox@debian.org
17:04:17[ buxy] is there something special to do?
17:04:28[ buxy] in any case, please track the status of Emfox Zhou <emfox@debian.org>
17:04:49[ buxy] he has been MIA for a few month concerning the maintenance of zim
17:08:18[ ana] buxy: just mail mia|qa.debian.org and tell so?
17:08:25[ ana] mia@qa.debian.org
17:09:02[ buxy] yeah, but I just tried to help a bit more and failed to do so, so I was wondering
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17:16:48[ Myon] buxy: for DDs, it's usually just "emfox"
17:16:57[ Myon] there's probably 2 mailboxes now
17:17:26[ Myon] mia-record (the thing that gets incoming mail) doesn't use carnivore yet to map the address to the canonical file name
17:17:34[ Myon] (or the file name actually used)
17:18:13[ Myon] oh, and afaict you need an X-Mia-Summary header
17:18:32[ Myon] otherwise the mail will bounce to someone who might hopefully add a header
18:19:02[ luk_] buxy: use mia@qa.debian.org unless you know what you're doing :-)
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19:57:10[ lucas] KiBi: [tcpstat] send me a mail if you want me to do that
20:00:31[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: myon * r1729 /trunk/data/ftp/ftp-update.bpo: use utc in trace file
20:11:43[ KiBi] lucas: I wrote it here so as not to forget it in my next mail.
20:12:37[ lucas] KiBi: if you already evaluate packages, when you send me a mail, please tell me which kinds of problems the package has
20:12:43[ lucas] so I don't have to investigate myself:)
20:13:45[ KiBi] I didn't want to do so. Usually the release date and the bug page are sufficient.
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22:54:06[ james_w] Hi, is Gaetano Paolone (bigpaul) being tracked by MIA?
22:56:10[ james_w] http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alml.html is what triggered my question btw.
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22:58:06[ Myon] I think he is
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22:58:28[ james_w] http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/galrey.html is the latest upload
22:58:33[ james_w] thanks Myon.
22:58:50[ Myon] uh yes, ddpo is all red
23:00:27[ Myon] another hint added
23:00:33[ james_w] thanks.
23:00:41[ Myon] now someone needs to find the time to actually do something
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23:01:17[ james_w] Myon: would that be orphaning the packages?
23:01:38[ james_w] (I don't want them myself, just thinking about trying to lend a hand)
23:01:53[ Myon] first looking deeper into the issue (reading the associated mbox)
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23:02:01[ Myon] heck, I'll just do it now
23:02:18[ james_w] ah, ok.
23:04:45[ Myon] hmm
23:07:41[ Myon] james_w: I'll orphan all
23:07:46[ Myon] are you interested in any?
23:11:28[ james_w] Myon: no thanks, just came across the package and thought I would check.
23:12:55[ Myon] k
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02:53:54[ Atomo64] is there any reason why I shouldn't request the removal of lxdoom (orphaned, abandoned upstream, last release:2k)? prboom is based on it and its development is more or less active
02:54:02[ Atomo64] prboom is already packaged
02:54:55[ Atomo64] popcon is still high, but very low votes
02:57:48[ KiBi] A Replaces/Provides might be needed. Please contact the maintainers of prboom.
02:58:00[ KiBi] (d-d-g@l.d.o I think)
03:04:27[ Atomo64] the only 'difference' between both is that lxdoom provides 4 binary packages (I think) and prboom only one
03:49:08[ Atomo64] there's a new upstream version for tapiir and libunicode :) (... mass, by hand, providing functional debian/watch files now)
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11:14:22[ Myon] #450720
11:45:08[ tiCo] .o0(Still no travel information, hmpf)
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13:08:06[ tiCo] mario@helena:~$ rmadison mcabber
13:08:06[ tiCo] <br />
13:08:06[ tiCo] <b>Warning</b>:  stat(): Stat failed for /srv/ftp.debian.org/backup/dump_2007.11.03-20:44:50 (errno=2 - No such file or directory) in <b>/org/qa.debian.org/web/madison.php</b> on line <b>82</b><br />
13:08:19[ h01ger] tiCo, send mail to cesar and ask for it
13:08:48[ tiCo] h01ger: ok
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13:15:03[ KiBi] tiCo: About rmadison, known issue, being worked on.
13:15:18[ KiBi] Still some data to sync after ries' re-up.
13:15:25[ tiCo] Ah i see...
13:16:24[ KiBi] tiCo: Even transitions aren't happening because of outdated data. Being tracked on #-release as we speak.
13:16:39[ KiBi] (e.g. apt)
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14:56:47[ james_w] Hi, another possible MIA for you: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=alexandre.pineau@free.fr
14:56:58[ james_w] doesn't look quite as serious as the previous one.
14:57:13[ james_w] last upload: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ire-rotj.html
14:57:19[ pusling] ..is troup@do tracked by mia? ;)
14:57:52 * Myon reports pusling to trolls-in-action@qa.d.o
14:58:07[ james_w] apparent last communication: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=10;bug=398383
14:58:09[ pusling] tia tracking
14:59:19[ james_w] He maintains nedit, which is co-maintained by http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian@thorstenhau.de who also seems quite inactive, but has been active more recently. It is his one package.
16:22:35[ tiCo] Hmmm, the extremadura people will receive the transport information on Mon or Tue
16:23:42[ tiCo] james_w: Isn't listed in the MIA DB (Alexandre), I'm going to ping him
16:29:01[ james_w] tiCo: thanks.
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21:17:01[ tarzeau] i would love an updated memtester package
21:17:17[ tarzeau] and openmovieeditor
21:28:09[ Myon] Atomo64: btw, #450720
21:31:12[ Atomo64] Myon: thanks, jmm already pointed me to that bug report when I asked on devel-games :)
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15:59:59[ ana] so we are 16 people for the QA meeting
16:33:50[ pusling] ..where does the developer.php overview page gets the "full name" from ?
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16:39:25[ ana] qa meeting: and tomorrow people will get their flights numbers 
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17:05:28[ naoliv] Hi! Is this error already known? http://paste.debian.net/42893
17:05:59[ pusling] oh yeah.
17:06:09[ abi] naoliv: yes
17:06:13[ pusling] only mentioned at least 3 times daily in various channels
17:06:25[ pusling] (bug is against ftp.do)
17:06:52[ naoliv] Hum... thank you! (and sorry for making you hear this bug again) :-)
17:19:41[ HE] abi: Is there a final list available somewhere?
17:20:00[ abi] HE: what list?
17:20:22[ abi] HE: bah.. 
17:20:34[ HE] Eh
17:20:37[ HE] s/abai/ana/
17:20:39[ HE] Argh
17:20:40[ abi] BAH!
17:20:48[ HE] DAMN YOU NICK-COMPLETITION!
17:22:44[ dato] heh, I said I'd be going last minute, and I've already been hooked up for a talk. warts of being, y'know, spanish.
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18:25:31[ Q_] lucas: You might want to try and rebuild the archive with dpkg 1.14.8.
18:31:14[ ana] HE: yes, i can edit the wiki and publish the definitive attendants list
18:31:30[ HE] ana: That would rock :)
18:31:53[ tiCo] ana: Do you have the flight dates as well?
18:32:08[ tiCo] Cesar wrote me that my plane will leave at 09:25 but not from which airport :)
18:32:14[ ana] now dato has to work in his accent to be a good aba's replacement ;)
18:32:20[ ana] tiCo: tomorrow
18:32:34[ tiCo] :)
18:32:39[ ana] i do not know if cesar is mailing us (lucas and I) or mailing direclty to you
18:32:44[ HE] ana: Uh god, we don't need no aba :)
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18:51:23[ ana] Final attendee List updated in the wiki
18:59:28[ tiCo] ana: thx :)
19:19:20[ ana] dato: you are coming from America only for the weekend :?
19:20:08[ dato] s/dato/damog/, I guess?
19:20:41[ ana] eer
19:20:43[ ana] ys
19:20:57[ ana] damog: you are coming from America only for the weekend :?
19:21:20[ damog] that was fast.
19:21:34[ damog] ana: yes, perhaps, most likely.
19:22:27[ ana] uhm, seems like a long trip to me only for the weekend :/
19:22:30[ tiCo] but then you may not drink as much beer as at the debconf arrival, otherwise you sleep the rest of the weekend :)
19:24:05[ damog] heh
19:26:02[ damog] making an stop in Zurich makes the best fare, against a stupid waste of time
19:26:28[ ana] no really, zurich is a nice city =)
19:29:09[ tiCo] damog: really?
19:29:20 * tiCo wants the same plane as damog :D
19:47:29[ HE] ana: Well, last time, Andrew came from the US just for the WE :)
19:50:21[ ana] HE: i think andrew was the whole meeting
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19:57:07[ damog] ana: i meant waste of time as in making unneeded connection stops :)
19:57:45[ luk] damog: ana just doesn't agree that it's unneeded :-)
19:58:02[ damog] ah, heh
20:00:38[ Myon] pusling: Maintainers.txt from ftp.d.o
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22:17:24[ pusling] Myon: okay. thanks. How does that file get updated? ;)
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22:34:45[ Myon] ask katie
22:37:47[ pusling] heh.
22:39:53[ pusling] (Was mostly wondering wether some newly uploaded packages with Maintainer: Debian Krap Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>  would "win" over the current text for that email address
22:41:04[ Ganneff] yes
22:41:39[ pusling] cool!
22:42:17[ Ganneff] no
22:42:57[ pusling] oh. but decibel with Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers as maintainer was uploaded to new afterwards.
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22:54:53[ Myon] pusling: no idea about that text file, that's what ddpo uses for serach when you don't give an exact address
22:55:19[ Myon] if there's different real names for an address, it's kind of random which one ddpo displays
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10:27:17[ ana] pusling:  i do not care if it shows krap or qt/kde, but you could write a patch for the qa.d.o to show the name with more packahes :P
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12:35:14[ HE] Wow. QA meeting with only three german DDs. That's weird #)
12:43:18[ ana] 3 es, 3de, 3fr, 2 it, 1 fi, 1 be, 1 ch, 1 cz, 1mx
12:43:52[ pusling] , 0dk
12:44:25[ ana] voIP is: 2 de, 1 gr, 1uk 1 il
12:44:36[ ana] so we'll have too many germans :P
12:47:46[ Ganneff] not enough .de
13:02:34[ HE] Yeah. Who's going to drink all the wine if aba is not coming?
13:03:04[ pusling] HE: you
13:03:44[ HE] Oh god.
13:05:01[ pusling] HE: you are missing a o in good.
13:05:41[ HE] The last time I met Andi, I had like three (or were it four? Forgot counting at some point) bottles of wine. If I need to drink my *and* his share, someone should probably keep a map with the way to the next hospital marked handy
13:06:23[ pusling] the others will just turn you into a dsa-administered machine
13:11:39[ h01ger] speaking of machines, is someone planning to bring a mirror?
13:12:30 * pusling can take the mirror from his bathroom ...
13:13:48 * h01ger could bring spaceballs
13:14:35 * KiBi is no dd
13:15:11[ KiBi] lucas: ^^^ ;-)
13:15:44[ pusling] KiBi: you need to start over NM first.
13:15:48[ KiBi] h01ger: I can't, sorry.
13:18:32[ KiBi] pusling: It's just that he can't remember that. :)
13:19:22[ pusling] see more details in #debian-private
13:20:08 * ana leaks #debian-private
13:20:15[ ana] Join, left, join, left, join, left
13:21:02[ adn] ana: oh no! You didn't! You couldn't!
13:24:26 * HE is annoyed by -private right now
13:24:41[ pusling] you are leaking
13:24:47[ KiBi] not yet
13:25:59[ HE] I'm only leaking bitterness
13:26:40[ HE] And yeah, I do have a life-time supply of that.
13:26:53[ h01ger] doesnt sound healthy
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13:58:40 * h01ger is pretty sure the mobilemesh mobilemesh package should be removed, from its homepage: "The Mobile Mesh software was developed for a Linux  2.2.X kernel. It's quite possible that it may run under 2.3.X kernels as well, but, the author has not tested this. " - and its still the same old 1.0 version in sid :)
13:59:03[ h01ger] so as a first step i just file a normal bug, asking the maintainer for opinion?
13:59:23[ h01ger] January 4, 2001 - Linux 2.4.0 was released
14:00:14[ h01ger] i find it a bit strange that it was packaged after that: on 17 Oct 2002 
14:14:52 * h01ger just wonders why mobilemesh has higher popcon numbers than olsrd, i guess some big installation...
14:18:35[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: hertzog * r1730 /trunk/mole/worker/molecd:
14:18:35[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: Use find instead of ls as it's less error-prone (doesn't fail with "argument list too long")
14:18:35[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: and probably more efficient to select a subset of files (instead of grepping ls's output).
14:23:24[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: hertzog * r1731 /trunk/mole/worker/ (symbols-harmonize.pl symbols.conf symbols.tester): Synchronize symbols worker scripts with current state.
14:27:30[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: hertzog * r1732 /trunk/mole/worker/symbols.tester: Don't use BASEDIR as it's not exported.
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16:34:15[ KiBi] Speaking of mole, any reason why http://qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/mole.py is not found?
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17:20:19[ Atomo64] hi all, just to let everybody know, I'm currently developing a sf.net-redirector-like script but for freshmeat; it needs to fetch an .xml file on the first request (second request is when uscan fetches the new source tarball) but I'll explain that when I post to -qa later
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17:37:07[ Rhonda] I'm not really convinced that putting freshmeat into a watch file is a good idea. It depends on people doing the announces there. sf is the direct source for lots of packages - freshmeat is just some redirection.
17:38:08[ Rhonda] .. which might end up ending in sf.net, for an example. I've stumbled on way too many totally neglected freshmeat entries to see it as a benefit.
17:38:14[ Ganneff] ay, freshmeat bad for this.
17:38:30[ Ganneff] package maintainers should know the right location - or orphan the package
17:39:32[ Rhonda] It's not like upstream locations move all the times from site to site and being hard to keep track of that would make freshmeat a useful target for watch files.
17:40:20[ pusling] kde{look,apps}.org is also mostly redirecting - but what they are redirecting to is a moving target
17:43:42[ Atomo64] Rhonda: but not everybody uses sf.net; and devs sometimes move their homepage but keep using the same freshmeat project page (noticed that while fixing watch files)
17:44:16[ Atomo64] pusling: I haven't contacted them, I'll see what I can do about it, but don't expect too much :(
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17:51:48[ Rhonda] Atomo64: Some doevs move their homepage. So? Maintainers are meant to stay in contact with upstream and know about those moves. Redirecting it through freshmeat (which, I have to repeat myself, is way too often totally neglected and lacking behind *immensly*) doesn't help much, is the wrong way to fix that problem, and gives a wrong impression, IMNSHO
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17:53:28[ Ganneff] well, watch files with freshmeat as target show packages that should get removed in qa checks :)
17:54:42[ Atomo64] http://deb.atomo64.puffinhost.com/freshmeat.php/gringotts/71681/
17:56:02[ Atomo64] Rhonda: yes, but I think nobody wants a package to be rebuilt just because a change in the watch file. But if the watch file isn't updated accordingly then it will fail to do its job
17:56:38[ Rhonda] Atomo64: What's the problem with updating the watchfile in the package's VCS?
17:56:51[ Atomo64] the freshmeat.php script is meant to be called like: freshmeat.php/project-name/branch_id/
17:57:15[ Atomo64] Rhonda: watch files aren't retrieved from VCS'
17:57:18[ Rhonda] ... and can't get handed any regex ...
17:58:04[ Rhonda] Atomo64: Erm, why should they be retreived from VCS? Aren't people doing uscan in their own local checkouts?
17:58:51[ Rhonda] Again, you have still totally ignored that freshmeat projects are more then regularly hopelessly outdated and lacking behind.
17:59:35[ Atomo64] Rhonda: that's not the rule for every project
17:59:44[ Rhonda] But if you put a big boilerplate about that in the announcement of the service
18:00:02[ Atomo64] and I've seen it, some projects even have their sf.net project but they don't upload any package there, and all is tracked at freshmeat
18:00:18[ Rhonda] But why doesn't it show the 1.2.1 version of gringotts?
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18:00:58[ Rhonda] Again, freshmeat is some tracking thing, it's _not_ upstream. But yeah, quitting is always a good argument. :)
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18:03:35[ Atomo64] sorry, konversation is one of the few bits of experimental I use
18:03:38[ Atomo64] freshmeat only keeps track of the latest version
18:03:41[ Atomo64] I can't do anything about that
18:03:55[ Atomo64] feel free to contact them and get them keep track of older version, if they add that 'feature' to the site and to the xml file I'll make the script show those versions too
18:05:17[ Atomo64] oh, and by the way, the displayed files are always projectName-projectVersion.EXT (tgz, deb, rmp, jar, bz2, zip, torrent)
18:05:26[ Atomo64] *rpm
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19:26:03[ Atomo64] Rhonda: do you mind if I quote some parts of this conversation in my email? so I reuse some of your questions/comments
19:48:39[ Rhonda] Not at all.
20:13:34[ Atomo64] ok, sent
20:15:10[ HE] ana: Didn't you say we would get the flight data today?
20:20:17[ ana] HE: that is what i was told... but no mail from cesar
20:20:32[ ana] so a) he only has mailed lucas with the info
20:20:40[ ana] b) he did not mail the info (likely)
20:32:00[ ana] FWIW, at least you know you are gettign a flight to madrid, dato and I have no idea at all how we are travelling
20:32:31[ ana] check the times of the budget airline $YOUR:_AIRPORT - MAD, and that is likely your flight
20:33:18[ Ganneff] which airline? there are manx
20:33:22[ Ganneff] s/x/y/
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20:33:50[ ana] well, from Frankfurt, yes
20:39:08[ zobel] ana: and then traveling 9h again from MAD to the .es/.pt border?
20:40:14[ ana] zobel: did it took 9h last year? woot
20:40:21[ ana] it took 2.5 hours for me :P
20:42:29[ Ganneff] no 9h, no.
20:42:51[ Myon] 6-something
20:43:36[ ana] it should be 3.5 or so this year
20:43:42[ ana] but i remember last years bus was kind of... crappy
20:44:29[ Ganneff] oh yes
20:45:07 * Ganneff needed two seats or otherwise i couldnt sit, its was so f* small
20:46:42[ ana] well, the bus was small and you are not exaclty small, so it is normal
21:47:44[ tiCo] ana, HE: I asked Cesar today and got my infos
21:47:54[ tiCo] not the booking number etc. but the flight numbers :)
21:48:08[ tiCo] ISELI/MARIO
21:48:08[ tiCo] JK 098K28NOV 3 ZRHBCN HK1          0925 1115
21:48:08[ tiCo] JK 407K28NOV 3 BCNMAD HK1       B  1230 1345
21:48:08[ tiCo] LX2027T02DEC 7 MADZRH HK1       1  1520 1730
21:48:09[ tiCo] :)
21:48:37[ Myon] Gesundheit
21:49:08[ tiCo] danke ;)
21:50:14[ tiCo] ana: It isn't really budget airline... I'll fly with a quite expensive one
21:51:14[ HE] Uh, What's BCN?
21:51:22[ tiCo] HE: Barcelona
21:51:39[ HE] Hmmm, a layover in BCN sucks a bit for a flight to MAD, but whatever #)
21:51:41[ tiCo] but I ask myself what this "B" and "1" does mean
21:51:59 * tiCo likes flying, so I'm quite glad about this :)
21:52:18[ pusling] business class and first class ? ;)
21:52:41[ tiCo] I thought the same... but i guess: No :)
22:08:26 * ana wonders if she'll have to do sevilla-madrid then marid-merida
22:08:37[ ana] that would be long trip
22:14:20[ adn] ana: done. (for oku's packages)
22:14:29[ ana] adn: thanks!
22:18:09[ ana] ill phone cesar tomorrow at 16 (he leaves at 17 or so) if we do not have the info
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00:09:28[ adn] wow: cas has uploaded a package!
00:09:58[ adn] twice in less than 3 hours
00:10:06[ adn] halleluia :-)
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00:47:51[ adn] tarzeau: wow, one more package to your 117!
00:48:12[ tarzeau] adn: i've started to get rid of some, see the O: ones
00:48:19[ tarzeau] adn: and i guess i'll get rid of more
00:48:33[ tarzeau] adn: it's not like i collect packages
00:48:54[ tarzeau] adn: i've got some great things with fontforge though. do you use that?
00:48:54[ adn] ah, yeah, that's a good idea to concentrate on the ones you really care about
00:49:08[ tarzeau] adn: i really was using the ones i maintained
00:51:39[ adn] tarzeau: not really (about fontforge)
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03:48:18[ lucas] I haven't received any flight info yet from Cesar
03:48:21[ lucas] maybe tbm has it?
04:00:10[ KiBi] lucas: ana has no info either.
04:00:31[ KiBi] lucas: do you happen to know why there's no web interface to mole any more?
04:00:49[ KiBi] jvw: ^?
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04:15:19[ lucas] KiBi: no, no idea
04:16:16[ lucas] KiBi: you are aware that we will work during days and sleep during nights at the QA meeting, right? :)
04:17:00[ ana] KiBi and I were planning work day and night
04:17:30[ KiBi] As ana says
04:18:06[ lucas] ah, so you are training?
04:19:32[ KiBi] Not to sleep anymore? Indeed
04:19:58 * lucas should take care of staying jetlagged on monday and tuesday then
04:20:20[ KiBi] ;-)
04:20:40[ ana] we always have beer to help
04:22:07[ KiBi] \o_
04:22:25[ lucas] there will be beer in the hostel?:)
04:22:52[ ana] hostel? we are going to a hotel, and for what i have read/been told a very nice one
04:23:28[ lucas] I thought hostel was only a typo. it means something?
04:23:29[ KiBi] hosssssstel
04:23:43[ KiBi] lucas: Auberge de jeunesse = hostel
04:23:48[ KiBi] lucas: Hôtel = hotel
04:23:49[ lucas] ok
04:23:58[ lucas] didn't know that
04:24:16[ KiBi] http://wordreference.com/enfr/hostel
04:24:17[ ana] no, no albergue juvenil
04:24:24[ ana] hotel
04:24:41[ ana] the edu meeting was in a 4 stars one, and it is likely will go to the same hotel
04:24:50 * KiBi is pleased to see how Spanish and French are close, again.
04:25:03[ ana] so we need to get a local mirror as holger pointed
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13:32:05[ tiCo] Heh, definitive flight information here...
13:32:28[ ana] yay
13:32:28[ tiCo] What do I need to check-in? Passport... And a booking number maybe?
13:32:31[ ana] cesar:" I have sent all the flight details privately to all the people.
13:33:06[ ana] yes
13:33:16[ ana] does somebody knows the bus time? for liw
13:33:39[ tiCo] ana: I can't identify it in the mail :)
13:34:01[ tiCo] LOCALIZADOR DE RESERVA 2DSVW4 <- ?
13:34:16[ ana] somebody arriving later than .. i do not know ...15:00?
13:34:22[ tiCo] BILLETEJK/ETKT 680 4605338519 <- ?
13:34:24[ ana] tiCo: yes, that is the booking number
13:34:29[ tiCo] the first one?
13:34:30[ tiCo] ok :D
13:34:45[ tiCo] LOCALIZADOR(ES)        LX/UZDSPY  SK/MV0EU <- do i need this as well?
13:34:52[ ana] i have not idea what is the second
13:35:10[ ana] can you bounce your mail? so i can have the full context :?
13:35:29[ tiCo] ana: I just print the whole thing and take it with me to the airport :P
13:35:44[ ana] well, i'm not sure if people in the zurich airport will speak spanish
13:35:52[ ana] no problem in madrid, tho :P
13:36:02[ ana] but everybody should speak spanish
13:36:25[ tiCo] everbody should speak english at an airport
13:36:39[ tiCo] .o0(ok ... the damn easyjet people in geneva don't)
13:37:25[ ana] they speak frenglish
13:37:42[ ana] that is close-ish, but not exaclty the same
13:38:09[ tiCo] :)
13:40:31[ ana] i repeat
13:40:36[ ana] somebody arriving later than .. i do not know ...15:00?
13:40:54[ ana] need to tell liw some approx time, since he booked the flight himself
13:42:12[ KiBi] ana: hmmm
13:42:27 * KiBi got no mail
13:46:43[ h01ger] Ganneff, can you bring a mirror? or lucas? or anybody?
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14:40:23[ ana] \o/ got my travel details too
14:40:31[ ana] bus will leave madrid around 19:00
14:41:04[ h01ger] one bus for all?
14:41:23[ ana] yes, AFAIK
14:43:07[ tiCo] :D
14:43:20[ tiCo] so when will we meet? I would like to go too see a little bit from madrid :P
14:44:43[ h01ger] tiCo, meeting at 19:00 sounds like a plan than. maybe 18:45
14:45:02[ tiCo] h01ger: when will you arrive?
14:45:22[ h01ger] in 48h
14:45:40[ h01ger] looooong time at the airport ;)
14:47:09 * tiCo starts an arrival table on the wiki :)
14:47:30[ HE] Gah
14:47:54[ ana] ok, let's do list:
14:48:13[ HE] Every time I fly to spain, they don't get my name right. Last time I needed to explain why 'HE' is not on my ID card, this time I'll need to explain why I'm not called marcmanueljohannes
14:48:26[ ana] HE: Ganneff mario: got your flight details?
14:48:33[ HE] Yes
14:48:39[ HE] ETA 1450
14:49:16[ ana] luk: Goneri kibi: got your flight details?
14:49:37[ KiBi] not yet
14:49:50[ ana] KiBi: annotated
14:50:25[ h01ger] HE, you might want to call your airline to ask if that name is ok. andreas tille (or schuldei, dont remember) had some trouble this time, because they mixed the order of his fistnames
14:50:54[ Goneri] yep ana, it's ok for me
14:51:20[ KiBi] Goneri: When are you leaving?
14:51:25[ HE] h01ger: They just missed the spaces, I don't think this should be a problem. Also, the people in DUS are usually quite friendly
14:51:34[ ana] godog: got your flight details?
14:52:04[ HE] And this time, I don't need to spend the night on the airport because the freaking flight is leaving early in the morning
14:52:18[ KiBi] ana: How's the weather there these days?
14:52:43[ ana] KiBi: it has been raining, but time in sevilla is different to extremadura...
14:52:54[ ana] eer
14:52:55[ ana] weather
14:53:00[ Goneri] mine: http://paste.debian.net/43070
14:53:23[ Goneri] I'll be in Madrid at 17:35
14:53:24[ KiBi] ana: el tiempo? :)
14:53:50[ ana] KiBi: spanglish
14:53:51[ Goneri] KiBi: will you go to Madrid via Paris?
14:53:59[ KiBi] Goneri: Don't know yet…
14:54:01[ Ganneff] ana: salida is start time i assume?
14:54:08[ tiCo] ana: Yes
14:54:09[ KiBi] I placed Paris on top of the list, though.
14:54:25[ KiBi] Startalida
14:54:28[ ana] Ganneff: yes
14:54:31[ KiBi] es_EN
14:54:38[ ana] i can not believe cesar mailed you the info in spanish
14:54:43[ Goneri] :D
14:54:48[ ana] salida= departure time
14:54:49[ Ganneff] so i start at 1515 and get in to madrid at 1745
14:55:03[ ana] LLEGADA: arrival time
14:55:20[ ana] VUELO NO FUMADORES= no smoking flight
14:55:29 * KiBi gathered all that.
14:55:31[ ana] DURACION: flight time
14:55:32[ Goneri] oh god
14:55:39[ ana] KiBi: you are french, germans are clueless :P
14:55:45[ Goneri] we know
14:55:45[ KiBi] \o/ I know Ju^WSpanish.
14:55:47[ ana] DIRECTO= direct flight
14:55:51[ tiCo] uh, 2 hours without cigarette :(
14:56:06[ Ganneff] tiCo: ach wie schlimm
14:56:06[ KiBi] Healthy enought.
14:56:08 * Myon notes that tiCo is not German
14:56:08[ KiBi] -t
14:56:12[ ana]  A BORDO: COMIDA PARA COMPRA -> on board you can buy food, you won't be given food
14:56:17[ ana] Myon: almost the same for me
14:56:20[ tiCo] LOCALIZADOR DE RESERVA == booking number :)
14:56:25[ h01ger] Myon, austrisch?
14:56:58[ Ganneff] so if i get in at 1745 - and some people get to madrid at 1345 already - they will have "fun" waiting until we all can take the bus
14:57:36[ ana] terminal 4 is very big, you can give a looooooooooong walk =)
14:57:42[ ana] do exercise
14:57:43[ Ganneff] that long?
14:57:59[ ana] Ganneff: even with long legs
14:58:30[ KiBi] 12-o-long terminal
14:59:02 * ana mails zack ondrej and godog
15:00:05[ tiCo] Myon: Didn't you know that I'm not German? :-/
15:00:49 * Myon notices that tiCo doesn't know "note" :)
15:02:28[ tiCo] Myon: Can mean "notieren" oder "anmerken" (according to /usr/bin/translate)
15:03:09[ ana] you all should learn spain spanish, and problem solved
15:03:27[ KiBi] Catasplangrish
15:04:05 * tiCo aprende hablar espegnol
15:04:07[ KiBi] Germafrencatalenglish
15:04:25[ ana] espegnol, nol
15:04:34[ ana] espaÑol
15:04:38[ ana] ññññ ññÑÑÑ ññ
15:04:57 * KiBi patpats macintosh/fr & ñ
15:05:41[ Ganneff] hmm
15:05:49[ Ganneff] anyone else going from FRA to MAD?
15:05:52[ godog] no worries for me about waiting at MAD, last year me and HE waited some hours
15:06:12[ KiBi] Ganneff: I might, if I get flight info
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15:06:33[ KiBi] o/ manphiz
15:06:57[ manphiz] ?
15:07:14[ KiBi] Like in “hello/” manphiz, waving at the same time. :)
15:07:28[ godog] ana: yes I got my details
15:07:34[ ana] yay, one less
15:07:48[ ana] godog: ack
15:07:49[ manphiz] KiBi: ah, didn't know before :-P o/ KiBi 
15:08:26[ godog] ana: zack as well
15:09:59[ ana] ack
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15:35:16[ ana] oooh, the meeting's hotel: http://www.veladahoteles.com/merida/home.php (spanish rsorry)
15:35:46[ ana] pictures http://www.veladahoteles.com/merida/galeria.php
15:35:59[ HE] Ganneff: Nope, only holger, you and me are from germany this time. holger is arriving a few days early, I'm flying from DUS.
15:36:20[ Ganneff] HE: tsss. schweinerei
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15:36:52[ ana] h01ger: is it the same hotel? then we have to think about the mirror
15:36:57[ h01ger] it is
15:37:14 * Ganneff cant bring a mirror
15:37:16[ ana] Ganneff: you are the ftpmaster, can bring a mirror? :)
15:37:17[ h01ger] the pool is closed!!!11
15:37:18[ ana] arf
15:37:20[ Ganneff] or maybe.
15:37:26[ Ganneff] i think i can, actually.
15:37:51[ Ganneff] send me a mail so i dont forget please.
15:38:07[ KiBi] \o/ Goneri \o/
15:38:17[ h01ger] Ganneff, sent
15:38:22[ Ganneff] but still, if someone else can bring one that would be preferred, as then i dont need to bring the external hdd.
15:38:23 * KiBi double *5* Goneri. We're sharing both flights. :)
15:38:25[ Ganneff] whcih is heavy
15:38:55[ Goneri] nice
15:39:16[ ana] Ganneff: mmm, how many Giga needs to be the HDD?
15:39:55[ Ganneff] 320G minimum for debian only
15:40:02[ Ganneff] more if you also want backports.org
15:40:31[ h01ger] damn, that bpo comment was too fast. i was about to say: "we obviously want ubuntu too" ;)
15:41:03[ ana] Ganneff: 320G for i386/amd/ppc only? and without nonfree? :)
15:41:10[ Ganneff] ana: no, for a full mirror
15:41:30[ ana] then you have to carry the external disk, sorry
15:41:50[ Ganneff] ana: if you have a smaller disk - we dont need all architectures
15:43:01[ ana] 80G only :)
15:43:22[ Ganneff] a bit small
15:43:34[ ana] yes
15:43:36[ ana] :/
15:52:22[ ana] Madrid: 341 Km  Sevilla: 198 Km 
15:52:31[ ana] nice =)
15:54:11[ KiBi] Ganneff: If needed, I can buy one in Paris before leaving.
15:54:44[ Ganneff] KiBi: you would need to buy one and put a mirror on it.
15:55:03[ Ganneff] KiBi: *only* do that if you plan to buy an external disc anyway.
15:56:14[ KiBi] Ganneff: I wasn't, but well, if that can help… Just tell me. :)
15:57:59[ Ganneff] KiBi: i dont think that "ganneff doesnt need to carry its 5kg external harddisc" is a good reason?
15:58:11[ pusling] KiBi: just replace your collection of porn on your laptop with a debian mirror ,)
15:58:12[ Ganneff] (ok, if it is for you, sure, buy it, put a mirror on, fine)
15:58:18[ Ganneff] :)
15:58:22[ KiBi] pusling: My 40GB one? :)
16:00:49[ KiBi] Well, I'm not sure it'll be ready by the time I'll leave Paris (I'm getting there the day before).
16:01:34[ KiBi] Given my usual lack of good fortune when I'm leaving for a FLOSS conf., timely stuff can't be achieved. :(
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16:58:03[ lucas] Goneri: KiBi: on a problement le meme vol aussi.faudra qu'on s'enregistre en avance pour choisir des places ensemble, par contre, comme je pars de LYS.
16:58:59[ KiBi] LYS-PAR?
16:59:55[ KiBi] Anyway I'll be online the day before, all evening long so that we can fine-tune the details.
17:00:02[ lucas] ah non, CDG
17:00:19[ KiBi] Nous c'est O'RLY.
17:00:32[ dato] is there a "howto find us in barajas"?
17:00:34[ lucas] CDG 16h35 MAD 18h35
17:00:40[ KiBi] lucas: you suck
17:01:06[ h01ger] dato, at terminal 4, on the ground floor, there is a medas cafe
17:01:23[ h01ger] dato, alternativly, get online and ask on #-qa ;)
17:01:26[ KiBi] \Œ/ cafe
17:01:42[ h01ger] its an airport "cafe"
17:01:46[ KiBi] s/Œ/o/; h01ger: wifi in the airport?
17:01:49[ Ganneff] is that the same cafe as last year? same terminal and place?
17:02:03[ lucas] KiBi: only using IPoDNS, last year
17:02:07[ h01ger] Ganneff, i'd guess so, but i'm not the organizer
17:02:22[ KiBi] lucas: ACK.
17:06:59[ HE] Ganneff: We'll just meet there, if they mean another cafe it's their problem :)
17:07:18[ Ganneff] HE: hehe
17:13:24[ lucas] [mirror] I could try to bring an USB disk with a mirror
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17:33:09[ Ganneff] could or do? :)
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18:24:01[ buxy] people, be prepared for an upgrade of merkel to etch later his week
18:24:48[ buxy] jvw: do you know if you will have to update/convert many Berkeley DB files used by mole?
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19:26:02[ godog] was the cafe at terminal 4?
19:26:17[ HE] Yes
19:26:19[ godog] downstairs, the one at arrivals IIRC
19:26:27[ HE] You came out of the baggage area and turned right
19:26:32[ godog] HE: heh, do you happen to remember :D
19:26:33[ HE] It's where we spent the night together
19:27:18[ godog] of course that sounds weird, I can explain *g*
19:27:48[ HE] Heh :)
19:28:07 * godog hugs HE 
19:28:45[ dato] I guess the cafe is accessible from the outside? (i.e., people not coming from a flight)
19:29:23[ luk] dato: yep
19:29:35[ dato] good, thanks
19:30:07[ Myon] are there anywhere cafes in the arrival area?
19:30:18[ Myon] can't remember having seen any
19:30:51[ luk] Myon: turn right :-)
19:31:02[ luk] next to the ATMs
19:31:13[ Myon] nah, I mean inside
19:31:43[ luk] no idea, I always go straight to that cafe :-)
19:32:02[ HE] luk: "always"? How often have you done that? :)
19:32:20[ h01ger] btw, if you dont arrive in terminal4, but in t1 or 2, there are free buses to t4
19:32:44[ luk] HE: 3 times if I remember correctly, though maybe it was only 2 times
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23:23:43[ james_w] Hi all. I have another possible MIA maintainer: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=kwisatz@rubis.org
23:24:11[ james_w] one package, last upload 2004, not touched any open bugs, last mail on a debian list appears to be the same year.
23:33:46[ james_w] And another: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=rafou@debian.org
23:33:54[ james_w] 3 packages, last upload 2005.
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04:02:41[ Atomo64] should a RM be filled for groovy? orphaned:#382815, popcon: 98 inst, 17 vote; last upload: 2005; only blocking of RM of libmockobjects-java (also orphaned, RM filled by Luk: #438743, btw: reassigning to ftp.debian.org)
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10:26:23[ h01ger] lucas, thanks for stepping in at #452102 - i think mobilemesh could also be removed from etch. (and sarge and maybe woody, na, not woody ;)
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17:19:34[ h01ger] maybe in merida its dark enough to see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17P/Holmes with the bare eye?!
17:21:05[ buxy] weasel is currently upgrading merkel
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20:31:56[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: myon * r1733 /trunk/wml/madison.wml: fix php variable weirdness
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01:00:17[ Ganneff] luk: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/autodns-dhcp.html - want to start your "should be removed" run on that? im removing dhcp from the archive right now... :)
01:18:08[ h01ger] http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=debian-edu@lists.debian.org is broken, debian-edu@l.d.o doesnt maintain eject or ethereal, to pick two random ones
01:19:25[ h01ger] or is that some view, what is important to debian-edu? it fits, but i thought preferences were stored in the client - and i dont think i have something here
01:20:10[ h01ger] no, i dont
01:20:17[ pabs] h01ger: one can add packages to that page: docs at http://qa.debian.org/developer.php
01:20:41[ h01ger] ah
01:21:13[ pabs] (note the sections are not main/contrib/non-free)
01:22:22[ h01ger] and i can change your packages?
01:23:41[ pabs] I believe so, not entirely sure though
01:24:14[ h01ger] great. so there are still friendly places on the intarweb 8-)
01:24:55[ h01ger] </mild irony> not </sarcasm> 
01:25:33[ pabs] :)
01:28:22 * Ganneff assigns all kde packages to h01ger 
01:28:31[ Ganneff] followed by all gnome ones
01:29:40[ h01ger] coincidently, me says something nice about Ganneff at the same time on #-devel
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04:08:56[ Atomo64] can I send a RM in behalf of the QA Team for 'mas'?: orphaned; popcon(using the max of the binary packages): inst: 36, vote: 8; bugs: RC: 1 (FTBFS), 1 normal, 1 wishlist (new upstream version, three years old); not in testing; uninstallable in m68k; old maintainer says: "Orphaning a completely useless package that doesn't need to be in Debian"
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04:27:45[ manphiz] Would anyone like to help me check if guus@debian.org is on vacation please? Thanks.
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04:36:45[ pabs] manphiz: according to db.debian.org and debian-private, he isn't. last mail was 19 Nov 2007
04:39:48[ manphiz] pabs: Thanks :)
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14:21:06[ abi] hm.. what happened to wotomae?
14:21:16[ abi] (.debian.net)
14:23:24[ ana] buxy: ^^
14:23:37[ buxy] no idea, ask arnau
14:24:26[ KiBi] abi: Server crash.
14:24:44[ abi] mkey
14:24:47[ KiBi] abi: I think this service might have not been reinstalled on the new server (yet).
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11:09:20[ luk] abi, lucas: can one of you accept kumanna-guest on the collab-qa project on alioth?
11:43:33[ abi] luk: as soon as i can remember my alioth passwod, yes :)
11:43:36[ abi] luk: gimme a second
11:45:56[ abi] luk: added
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12:01:34[ luk_] abi: tnx
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12:40:52[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: myon * r1735 /trunk/data/ddpo/ (ddpo.py extract_excuses.py): use default python version
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19:35:12[ nutmeg] Hmm. I sent a mail to mia@qa.debian.org about a month ago, with still no results in merkel:/org/qa.debian.org/mia. Are the respective people just too busy right now or ws the mail lost?
19:36:13[ tarzeau] nutmeg: about who?
19:41:11[ nutmeg] tarzeau: fbayle@bigfoot.com
19:50:03[ KiBi] nutmeg: Not MIA AFAICT.
19:50:12[ KiBi] nutmeg: He's also on IRC quite often.
19:54:22[ nutmeg] KiBi: Well, a month ago when I (tried to) check both his latest message to the bts and his  latest upload were from february.
19:54:25[ Myon] doesn't look too active: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=fbayle@bigfoot.com
19:54:42[ Myon] there's 2 Bayle, fwiw
19:54:52[ KiBi] OK, then try kicking him on IRC? :)
19:55:52[ nutmeg] KiBi: What is his nick?
19:56:02[ KiBi] florent
19:57:11[ nutmeg] grr.  florent :No such nick/channel
19:57:56[ Myon] 19:55 [oftc] -NickServ-    Last quit time: Sat 24 Nov 2007 00:42:15 +0000 (18:13:19 ago)
19:59:19[ nutmeg] BTW is there something like echolon for non-dds like florent?
20:01:00[ Myon] not really
20:02:00[ nutmeg] darn.
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22:25:42[ cortana] i have updated the mxml package to the newest upstream release, which fixes #442416 (RC)
22:26:05[ cortana] i attached the source package to a message sent to the bug so it should appear there shortly
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01:49:03[ pabs] cortana: thanks for that, I'll take a look later today
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03:05:59[ Atomo64] is steinm MIA?
03:11:25[ pabs] nope. last activity 23 Nov 2007
03:24:45[ Atomo64] err, why doesn't he update php4-ps then, it has two serious bugs
03:27:17[ pabs] maybe he didn't see the mails? best ping him
03:34:24[ Atomo64] pabs: and what about 'jon'? is he MIA?
03:35:12[ pabs] not in the mia db, last activity 13 Sep 2007
03:35:24[ Atomo64] pabs: and cajus?
03:35:40[ Atomo64] their packages are blocking the php4 removal :(
03:38:19[ pabs] last activity 09 Oct 2007, X-MIA: Status is busy for 612d, no prods
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03:43:46[ Atomo64] ok, thanks
04:06:11[ Atomo64] lol, this looks like some content for wikipedia: apt-cache show php5-gpib | less
04:08:06[ pabs] very comprehensive :)
04:10:29[ Atomo64] too much, not to mention it provides instructions
04:10:38[ Atomo64] (filling bug report as I type)
04:35:39[ kmap] QA people, I have some doubts with regard to piuparts runs/failures. Many seem to fail because update-menu seems to be running...
04:36:00[ kmap] Is it that in those packages, update-menu doesn't seem to end at all, or doesn't end within a reasonable time-frame?
04:36:12[ kmap] e.g.  http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/dwww.log
04:36:54[ kmap] Also holds for afterstep.log (same urlbase)
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09:01:17 * KiBi ponders @ 440140.
09:05:27[ kmap] KiBi: NMU
09:06:34[ KiBi] Actuallyn that's not that trivial. This kind of package should be quite closely tracked and maintained, since this kind of things is pretty volatile.
09:07:05[ KiBi] I'd rather have it adopted/comaintained by someone who can maintain it in a timely fashion.
09:07:06[ kmap] KiBi: I agree. An NMU would mean you take responsibility for all the problems you create on top of the existing ones!
09:07:20[ kmap] KiBi: Ack. (KiBi style! :-)
09:07:35[ KiBi] Well, when it comes down to “not usable at all”, that can't be much worse.
09:08:08[ kmap] KiBi: But after an NMU, if it stays that way, you might be blamed, right? :-p
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10:42:06[ pabs] does anyone know the way to add more email addresses to the "Using emails: " thing that mia-query outputs?
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11:40:31[ luk_] pabs: either by adding the email to the key in keyring.debian.org and/or using it in the Maintainer field AFAICS
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12:16:30[ pabs] luk_: hmm, ok. I think it would possibly be useful to be able to add more - I was looking at NOSHIRO Shigeo today, found he had a couple of addresses on his website not known by mia-query
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03:40:24[ pabs] um, is spam meant to trigger the mia-query activity-from? for eg Preston Smith & http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2007/11/msg00050.html
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04:53:22[ kmap] QA people, I have a query. Does piuparts fail if during an upgrade, APT asks a "do you want to replace the config with the maintainer's" type question?
04:53:56[ kmap] Like here: http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/achims-guestbook.log
04:54:11[ kmap] (Apache config, in this case)
04:54:27[ kmap] Is this an error, or a false catch?
04:56:52[ pabs] looks like a bug in puiparts for not handling such cases?
04:57:13[ kmap] pabs: I mean, that's a false positive, right?
04:57:24[ pabs] yeah
04:58:04[ kmap] pabs: Of the 1180 CMDFAILED ones, 146 fit in that category. :-)
04:58:23[ kmap] 10% accounted for (almost). Yay!
04:59:25[ Atomo64] but that error shouldn't happen, AFAIR the config files are upgraded automagically if they were not touched (md5 is the same as the one from the previous .deb), am I wrong?
05:02:50[ kmap] Atomo64: That is tru
05:03:04[ kmap] Atomo64: But in this case, I think the package in question spoils the apache config
05:03:21[ kmap] Atomo64: So, during a dist-upgrade, the apache config md5sums don't match
05:03:27[ kmap] Sounds sensible?
05:03:52[ pabs] oh, that sounds like a bug in the package then - shouldn't be messing with apache's config files
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05:05:08[ kmap] That appens for quite a few packages which use Apache, I thought? Anyway, let me make a note.
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05:15:06[ kmap] pabs: As I was saying, it may be a bug.
05:15:25[ kmap] pabs: It's there in around 170 of them!
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05:17:12[ pabs] :/
05:17:15 * pabs brb
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06:18:03[ kmap] pabs: I have reason to believe it's an Apache issue. See this:
06:18:05[ kmap] http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/apache2.log
06:19:12[ kmap] Same for apache2-mpm-*, prefork etc.
06:20:50[ kmap] Moreover, it isn't the apache configs, but it's /etc/default/apache2
06:20:56[ kmap] Hm... strange!
06:25:48[ pabs] I see that file mentioned in apache2.2-common maintainer scripts
06:30:25[ kmap] pabs: OK.
06:30:48[ kmap] pabs: Probably that is the problem; I'm not sure
06:31:51[ pabs] that fails too: http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/apache2.2-common.log
06:32:11[ kmap] pabs: Yes. I've got a whole list of packages which fall in this category.
06:32:27[ kmap] 165 packages fail after /etc/defaul/apache2.
06:32:41[ kmap] not after, but because of /etc/default/apache2
06:33:00[ kmap] Anyway, I've discovered it, and noted it. Let me move on to the next problem.
06:33:06 * kmap resumes grepping the logs.
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09:10:32[ kmap] Interesting observation of piuparts logs: Most packages from C to D fail due to mirror not having the files!
09:10:32[ kmap] e.g. http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/democracyplayer.log
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09:10:32[ pabs] fun :)
09:10:32[ kmap] pabs: Jolly! 293 of 'em! :-)
10:13:53[ abi] lucas: oh, that bapase stuff looks interesting :)
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17:40:15[ ana] ///names
17:40:17[ ana] arf
17:40:30[ ana] i was wondering if everybody going to the qa meeting is here
17:44:09[ Ganneff] who is ondrej?
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17:46:46[ ana] in IRC, no idea
17:48:10[ ana] only liw, zack and ondrej are not here
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18:05:41[ ana] damog: ouch :/
18:05:51[ damog] i know
18:05:54[ ana] damog: see you in .ar then?
18:05:55[ Ganneff] hm?
18:05:55[ tiCo] why damog "ouch"?
18:06:09[ damog] not able to make it
18:06:13[ damog] ana: sure :)
18:06:14[ Ganneff] aha. why?
18:06:27[ damog] because my boss is an ass!
18:06:32[ Ganneff] quit!
18:06:42[ damog] yeah :-/
18:06:45[ tiCo] hmmpf
18:06:57[ tiCo] and the expensive flight is already paid i guess :)
18:07:04[ damog] nope
18:07:15[ ana] well, IIRC you are kind of new in that job
18:07:43[ ana] so it is usualy harder get free days
18:08:10[ damog] ana: yeah, i told them the way debian meetings work, but it's kind of difficult right now to leave, since i'm also leaving for xmas, etc and was pretending to skip at least two days this weeks to make it
18:12:02[ damog] and in fact, it was not that expensive to get the ticket today
18:14:15[ h01ger] how much would it have been?
18:14:20[ h01ger] damog, pity!
18:14:53[ damog] h01ger: ~$500
18:15:02[ damog] which is not thaaaaaaaaaat bad
18:15:32[ damog] specially to buy it two days before the flight
18:15:37[ damog] anyway, yeah.
18:15:37[ h01ger] thats less than 400e :)
18:15:52[ dato] wow
18:15:56[ h01ger] damog, and as Ganneff said: quit! :)
18:16:28[ damog] heh.
18:16:53[ h01ger] i guess that would not work well with your work permit?
18:18:49[ damog] yeah, quitting is not a good thing to do right now :)
18:23:13[ Ganneff] what dio we care? quit
18:23:13[ Ganneff] :)
18:24:18 * damog slaps Ganneff with a 80GB iPod classic
18:24:34[ dato] damog: I thought you'd slap him with a USA Visa.
18:25:46[ damog] nah, that is overrated :)
18:26:46[ HE] h01ger: BTW, will you be taping us?
18:28:36[ h01ger] HE, no camera
18:28:45[ HE] Ah, OK
18:29:00[ h01ger] but if we tell cesar in advance, i'm fine to cut and stuff. operating the camera should be done by you and $someone_else :)
18:29:08[ h01ger] (cesar can bring camers)
18:30:44 * damog thanks ana for adding the missing dots :)
18:32:04[ ana] damog: i do not want we waiting count 16 to realize we are only 15 :)
18:33:04[ damog] heh, yes.
18:34:15[ pusling] damog: ana is quite good at adding missing dots ...
18:34:35[ ana] pusling: lately, removing them
18:43:28[ pusling] ;)
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20:16:42[ Ganneff] there. the mirror has i386, amd64 and source from today, sarge to sid.
20:16:47[ Ganneff] now syncing powerpc
20:17:04[ Ganneff] lets see how many $arch i can add until i need to leave for my flight
20:17:43[ tarzeau] if it was smaller, certainly more (say lzma compressed)
20:18:39[ Ganneff] bullshit
20:21:01[ ana] Ganneff: experimental?
20:21:01 * ana needs experimental
20:21:01[ Ganneff] ah, that too, yes
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21:26:24[ damog] mail fun.
21:27:38[ faw] damog, lists.d.o are affected, right?
21:28:19[ damog] it might be.
21:31:01[ faw] I think so
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04:59:13[ Atomo64] can anyone with access to qa's rep modify qa/trunk/wml/developer.wml with s#(ds|dsfg|debian)#(ds|dfsg|debian)# ? dfsg is misspelled as dsfg, making the version comparison throw wrong results
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10:05:47[ ana] bsu leave from madrid at 19 + 4 hours travel = 23:00
10:06:03 * ana wonders whether we'll have dinner
10:07:31[ godog] better fetch something from the cafe
10:08:09[ godog] is it 4h to merida? wasn't it shorter than badajoz?
10:09:28[ Ganneff] it is
10:09:33[ ana] merida is closer to madrid
10:09:35[ Ganneff] last year was a 6h drive
10:09:53[ ana] i'm leaving 1 hour later than you and still arriving earlier (22:50)
10:10:02 * h01ger hopes/thinks we'll stop on the way?
10:10:04[ ana] i hope i can get a taxi from bus station to the hotel
10:10:26 * h01ger hopes ana will need to walk that part so that she suffers at least a bit ;)
10:10:56[ ana] h01ger: i'll suffer from my $HOME to the bus station in Sevilla
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11:29:27[ godog] anything else to bring for tomorrow?
11:30:22[ h01ger] cheese + wine
11:30:27[ h01ger] good mood
11:30:37[ Ganneff] yourself
11:30:41[ Ganneff] you shouldnt forget yourself
11:31:57[ pusling] milk to Ganneff 
11:34:27[ godog] h01ger: indeed, that's planned ;)
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12:03:48[ HE] So, will we do an alcohol bof? :)
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13:07:19[ ana] HE: i hope so, it is my personal schedule at least :D
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14:25:27[ pabs] lucas: about DDPOMail, is there a web page of packages not in testing ordered by how long they have been out? there is http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/oldest.html, which doesn't seem to take into account when packages get removed from testing
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14:39:19[ lucas] pabs: http://qa.debian.org/~lucas/testing-status.html
14:39:19[ lucas] :-)
14:41:02[ pabs] sweet, thanks
14:42:32 * pabs will use that for future NMU runs
14:42:52[ lucas] NMU runs?
14:45:07[ pabs] I did a few NMUs of packages near the top of http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/oldest.html that had RC-bugs holding them out of testing
14:45:32[ pabs] easy ones only so far
14:46:27[ lucas] ok
14:49:37[ pusling] pabs: don't take all of them - I might be looking at someone to NMU to celebrate the day if I ever become a DD ,)
14:50:06[ Myon] OH NOES
14:50:29[ pabs] and then there are the packages that are held out of testing because people don't fully understand the bts versioning: http://bugs.debian.org/408045
14:50:35[ pabs] pusling: :)
14:50:44 * pabs pokes Myon about NM scripts
14:51:07[ Myon] ECHAN :P
14:51:14[ pabs] :P
14:51:42[ h01ger] scripts to go thru NM? i wish i knew about them when i needed them...
14:51:55[ pabs] hah!
14:52:29[ h01ger] pabs, whats the problem wit 408045? it shouldnt have been closed with a version or??
14:52:34[ Myon] <Karat3> wie führt man noch mal ein shellscript aus?
14:52:34[ Myon] <Ganneff> ausdrucken, einstecken, zum italiener gehen, auf nen stuhl legen
14:52:35[ Myon] <alphascorpii> ... und sag ihm ein paar nette Sachen, das mögen sie
14:54:01[ pabs] h01ger: correct, shouldn't have been closed with a version (IMO)
14:54:33 * pabs wonders if that is something debbugs could handle better, hmm
14:54:41[ h01ger] IMO are AFAYK? :)
14:54:45[ h01ger] s/are/or/
14:55:33[ pabs] well, closing it with the binNMU version would have been ok :)
14:55:43[ h01ger] ah
14:55:51[ h01ger] makes sense, very much 
14:56:03[ h01ger] i'll forward that to the maintainer, he's a fellow fai developer..
14:56:07[ pabs] actually, not because it was only for one arch
14:56:33[ pabs] I did a notfound on it just now, should make it fixed
14:56:46[ h01ger] thanks :)
14:57:48[ pabs] 436401 is presumably legit though, been pending for ages :/
14:57:58[ h01ger] <MT> thanks pabs!
14:58:08[ pabs] :) np
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15:00:25[ pabs] so, during the discussion in #-devel when kmap was talking about lintian stuff, I had this thought: what automatable test can/should Debian expect every non-NEW package in incoming to pass?
15:00:54[ MT] pabs, thanks again for marking #408045 notfound
15:01:09[ MT] as for #436401
15:01:29[ MT] it's marked pending as the fixed version is waiting on debian-mentors
15:01:47[ pabs] ah
15:02:14[ MT] my usual sponsor promised to upload them on 2007-09-15
15:02:24[ MT] but probably ran out of time once again :-)
15:02:48[ pabs] perhaps CC yr RFS messages to the bug, so the status can be seen? /me remembers doing that when in NM sometimes
15:03:08 * MT is still waiting for DAM to create the account :-)
15:03:18[ pusling] MT: join the club
15:03:24[ pabs] :)
15:04:10[ MT] pabs, I'll do that, but at least I added the note to the pending mail
15:04:16[ MT] see the full text ...
15:04:41[ pabs] ah, so you did, sorry for not looking
15:05:25[ MT] yes, these requests are pretty much hiding some information as they don't show up as regular mails
15:06:10 * h01ger cc:s the bug in such a case..
15:06:38[ pabs] might be a useful addition to debbugs to add any control mails with some non-empty, non-control, non-sig lines directly to the html bug log
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18:18:16[ lucas] Q_: why did you mark #445609 as fixed? I can still reproduce it
18:20:43[ lucas] Q_: sorry, wasn't you
18:21:03[ lucas] pff, 2 weeks of VAC, and I can't read the bts correctly anymore
18:21:22[ pusling] VAC is bad. don't try it at home, kids
18:21:51[ lucas] we should require that I go through NM again if I take 3 weeks of VAC
18:34:04[ Myon] lucas: want another NM for practising?
18:34:55[ MadCoder] he wants another grid5k with !x86 machines
18:34:57[ MadCoder] and a pony
18:36:02[ ana] MadCoder: haha
18:36:04[ ana] eer
18:36:05[ ana] Myon: haha
18:36:26[ ana] you do nto lose a chance to get new AMs =)
18:36:53[ ana] it is a good excuse to read the graphviz license (uf)
18:47:04[ dato] oh, my NM uses mutt-ng. ;)
18:47:14[ ana] haha
18:47:58[ Ganneff] thats a minus point, right
18:51:27[ Myon] dato: ask him to provide a nice rules file for mutt-patched ;)
18:51:52[ lucas] mutt-patched?
18:52:57[ Myon] mutt + sidebar patch
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18:53:31[ dato] .oO(lsdiff foo | xargs touch -r bar)
18:53:54[ Myon] hmm
18:53:59[ Myon] evil :)
18:54:01[ lucas] Myon: is this packaged?
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18:54:16[ abi] not yet, though :/
18:54:32[ Myon] #277637
18:54:37[ abi] patch is too intrusive to be applied against the mutt package so they discussed about some mutt-sidebar 
18:54:45[ abi] since mutt-ng is dead
18:54:49[ ana] you have madmutt too
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20:32:02[ dato] ok, so tomorrow I should definitely go to MAD T4, "medas cafe"?
20:32:48[ godog] dunno if it is the same at T4 arrivals
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22:13:38[ pusling] lucas: XGetKeyboardMapping - did something drop that recently? I see quite some ftbfses filed by you about that
22:14:14[ lucas] I have no idea
22:14:17[ lucas] I was in VAC ;)
22:14:24[ pusling] or other Xfoo
22:19:44[ pusling] lucas: #453183 && #453181  ;)
22:20:25[ lucas] please merge them
22:20:38[ lucas] there was a delay with the ack, so I thought I hadn't file it
22:20:41[ pusling] ah.
22:21:04[ pusling] done.
22:21:10[ lucas] libc6-dev: non-matching version installed (2.7-1 ! << 2.7~)
22:21:12[ pusling] (although the title is kind of misleading)
22:21:29[ lucas] sbuild doesn't know about ~ ?
22:21:56[ HE] It does
22:21:57[ pusling] it loks like it does.
22:22:07[ HE] lucas: 2.7-1 is NOT smaller than 2.7~
22:22:47[ pusling] although I don't know why it should be so strict ..
22:24:21[ lucas] what's the differnce between << 2.7 and << 2.7~ ?
22:25:24[ HE] 2.7~bpo would satisfy <<2.7
22:26:08[ lucas] ok
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00:13:14[ dato] luk: I'll write down your number in case I can't find you in the ariport. what time do you arrive?
00:47:25[ lucas] dato: oops, I think I forgot you in my mail
00:47:44[ lucas] dato: what's your email? I'll bounce you all the thread
00:48:56[ lucas] bounced to adeodato@debian.org
00:49:22[ lucas] I removed some of the mails, the ones about bringing a mirror
00:49:40[ lucas] going to bed now
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07:34:25 * tiCo waves from Zurich airport
07:34:58[ abi] lucas: what about those "dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 512" failures?
07:44:18[ abi] buxy: we have quite some packages ftbfs like apt does (#452862), is there some dokumentation we could point the maintainers to?
08:01:37[ buxy] abi: common sense + man dpkg-shlibdeps
08:02:58[ buxy] abi: reporting FTBFS concerning dpkg-shlibdeps need some investigation, in particular when it's "missing dependency information" as the package to fix might be the provider of the lib whose dependency info is missing and not the one who failed to build
08:03:12[ ana] tiCo: have a nice flight =)
08:05:58 * luk_ is going to depart...
08:06:05[ luk_] cu in Spain :-)
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08:07:07[ buxy] abi: also it's not strictly necessary to file bugs for those who fail with "couldn't find library <something>.so" (where <something>.so is unversioned ie != <something>.so.X)
08:08:03[ tiCo] ana: thx :)
08:08:12[ buxy] as those failures would be avoided with the next dpkg version
08:09:00[ buxy] abi: http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/packages/dpkg-dev_1.14.12+buxy_all.deb if you want to verify with the next dpkg-version
08:10:57[ abi] buxy: okey, its just im having a look at the recent rebuilds lucas did and most of the outstanding packages fail with this error
08:11:39[ buxy] abi: there are 32 bugs to report
08:11:59[ buxy] out of the 68 failures related to dpkg-shlibdeps
08:12:36[ ana] gah, people departing and i even have laundry to do before /o\
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09:01:49[ KiBi] abi: Re: wotomae, it looks like an init.d script is missing. You definitely want to poke arnau harder.
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09:37:59[ Ganneff] now. what did i miss to put into my bag? tell me! now!
09:38:00[ Ganneff] :)
09:38:15[ lucas] your disk? :)
09:38:20[ Ganneff] have that
09:39:00[ pusling] milk
09:39:02[ lucas] your private pgp key to sign the pending NM reports? :P
09:39:18[ ana] Ganneff: socks
09:39:27[ pusling] you socks
09:39:32[ lucas] there will be an assassin game?
09:39:58[ lucas] if there isn't, you don't really need socks
09:40:12[ pusling] lucas: you don't have socks on your feet ? ;)
09:40:21[ lucas] right now, no
09:40:30[ pusling] but normally ?
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09:40:39[ lucas] please define "normally"
09:40:52[ pusling] like when you go out somewhere 
09:41:09[ pusling] at work. or meeting people. or ...
09:41:24[ h01ger] calcetines?
09:41:25[ lucas] we will be in an hotel for the whole meeting, so we won't "go out somewhere"
09:41:30[ ana] h01ger: sí :)
09:41:39[ h01ger] lucas, to eat. to see the city (its worth it)
09:41:44[ pusling] (I know Henning Makholm is walking around barefooted all the time ...)
09:41:45[ h01ger] ana, 0:)
09:44:44[ Ganneff] pgp key? sign nm reports? pah.
09:45:02[ ana] h01ger: we are having lunch/dinner outside the hotel?
09:45:13[ pusling] Ganneff: bring your ldap access so you can create accounts? ;)
09:45:22[ Ganneff] pusling: not funny
09:45:27[ pusling] no. sorry.
09:45:32 * ana gags pusling 
09:47:46[ pabs] ugh, even after getting open21xx fixed, it still got removed :/
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09:49:53[ KiBi] What kind of weather out there?
09:50:03[ ana] KiBi: 7-14 celsius
09:50:23[ KiBi] Oh, I could let some stuff here. *ponders*.
09:50:34 * Ganneff has the usual clothes and stuff, some keychains, some stickers, the usb disk with the mirror (last updated this night). hrm. should be enough.
09:50:47[ KiBi] \o/ stickers
09:50:59[ Ganneff] small swirls and "debian" ones.
09:51:21[ h01ger] ana, last time we had. and i guess again. breakfast buffet is in the hotel though
09:51:35[ ana] Ganneff: do you have any sticker of a big swirl?
09:51:39[ KiBi] can i has a breekfest
09:51:42[ Ganneff] no big ones, no.
09:51:48[ pusling] Ganneff: foil stickers ?
09:51:53[ Ganneff] just those 2x2cm ones
09:52:01[ ana] then i'll put a kde sticker in my laptop
09:52:05[ ana] :P
09:52:08[ Ganneff] poor laptop
09:52:12[ Ganneff] you hate it?
09:52:17[ pusling] klaptop
09:52:23[ ana] klaptopdaemon
09:52:33[ pusling] ana is the daemon
09:52:37[ KiBi] she's the bsd
09:52:44[ KiBi] bsdist?
09:52:47[ KiBi] beast? :D
09:52:50[ ana] kfreebsd-64
09:52:58[ KiBi] open64
09:53:16[ ana] hey it compiles, no idea if it works
09:53:22[ ana] aurel32 can test it :P
09:53:28[ KiBi] Reminds me of fdopen64 and gs now;
09:53:35[ KiBi] Compiles but still broken for other reasons.
09:53:48[ KiBi] We really should do something for that.
09:53:52[ ana] "it builds, ship it"
09:54:15[ KiBi] Well, mhatta is periodically MIA, and for such a package, I wonder how tolerable it is.
09:54:47 * ana reported a bug against gs yesterday 
09:54:50[ pusling] KiBi: hijack it.
09:55:00[ ana] and fix the bug =)
09:55:29[ KiBi] pusling: Well, I'd really love to see this package comaintained.
09:55:37[ KiBi] ana: bug*Z*
09:56:01[ ana] ghostscript 155 bugs
09:56:20[ ana] yes, it needs several people to fix that
09:56:32[ KiBi] pusling: But I'm not sure how it would be feasible. Once I joined the pkg-blender I had *one* question, which answer is known by mhatta. And I'm still waiting for him to reply.
09:57:07[ ana] hah, cupsys 273
09:57:19[ pusling] cupsys is also partly cluelessmaintained
09:57:53[ KiBi] pusling: You don't like Q-Funk very much, do you?
09:58:10[ pusling] KiBi: didn't say anything about that.
09:58:12[ Ganneff] who does?
10:26:08[ dato] lucas: got it, thanks
10:26:14[ dato] I'm almost leaving now :)
10:38:03[ h01ger] liw just called from frankfurt :)
11:06:33[ Ganneff] he is there early. he should have taken a later flight, like that bzed and I have :)
11:06:52[ ana] maybe the earlier one was cheaper
11:06:55[ h01ger] i guess you didnt tell him that earlier :)
11:07:32[ Ganneff] h01ger: i didnt book the flights
11:07:53[ h01ger] he joked that he has to fly from there to london, then to paris and then to madrid, because canonical choose the cheapest flight :) (he flies directly from FRA to MAD..)
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11:12:44[ GyrosGeier] Hi
11:14:03[ GyrosGeier] I'm currently on the train to the airport, was stuck in the tube and the next train was late, so it is pretty likely I'm going to miss that flight.
11:16:41[ GyrosGeier] Can someone give me Cesar's number, so I can coordinate what happens now?
11:16:52[ h01ger] GyrosGeier, i already msg'ed it to you..
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11:28:50[ lucas] I'm doing LYS->CDG-MAD and arriving later than last year because it's cheaper than the direct LYS->MAD flight
11:28:58[ lucas] so you know why you will be waiting for me ;)
11:32:41[ KiBi] So that we can drink in the meanwhile?
11:37:25[ ana] uff @ GyrosGeier
11:52:08[ Ganneff] there. train.
11:52:59 * tiCo is in Barcelona :)
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12:13:44[ GyrosGeier] \o/
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12:14:25[ h01ger] GyrosGeier, news on your flight?
12:15:33[ GyrosGeier] César worked everything out, I'm going to be on the 15:50 flight
12:16:13[ GyrosGeier] which arrives around 7...
12:16:24[ h01ger] great
12:16:25[ GyrosGeier] Oh wait
12:16:32[ GyrosGeier] Before seven
12:16:53[ GyrosGeier] So much for my evil plans
12:16:53[ ana] GyrosGeier: great
12:17:28 * GyrosGeier has six decks of cards
12:18:14[ ana] mao?
12:18:21[ GyrosGeier] Now for the other evil plan
12:18:58[ GyrosGeier] Yes
12:19:16[ GyrosGeier] And duty free alcoholic beverages
12:21:34[ GyrosGeier] Hm
12:21:38[ pusling] ana: no stupid mao on kde team meeting, right ?
12:22:05[ GyrosGeier] This is supposed to be a place of international trade
12:22:33 * GyrosGeier goes looking for Salmiakki
12:22:53[ GyrosGeier] Check in opened, brb
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12:23:03[ ana] pusling: we'll see, it depends of how much we drink
12:23:14[ ana] :P
12:23:53[ pusling] ana: it has to be so much that I can't type my decrypting passphrase for my harddrive ,)
12:24:35[ ana] pusling: yeah, so we won't able to work and rhen have to play mao instead :P
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12:25:02[ pusling] ana: there is bigger chances that I will be half asleep when I am unable to do that .. ;)
12:25:31[ ana] haha
12:47:52[ Ganneff] their. airport soon.
12:47:58[ Ganneff] s/their/there/
12:48:00[ Ganneff] tsss
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13:29:34 * lucas @ first airport
13:31:18 * h01ger goes to send airmail
13:33:17[ ana] packed \o/
13:37:01[ lucas] cool, wifi on the pane
13:37:04[ lucas] +l
13:42:55[ Myon] only 50¤/h
13:44:58[ Ganneff] airport. checked in. near gate.
13:45:19[ Ganneff] those idiots at security control did an "explosives check" with my laptop and the power adapter
13:50:04[ ana] Ganneff: next time. smile and you won't look as a terrorist
13:52:33[ Ganneff] my legs beep in security control!
15:19:30 * lucas now in paris
15:19:45 * lucas tries his IPoDNS implementation everywhere :P
15:20:03[ pusling] lucas: just ozyman or something more advanced ?
15:20:16[ lucas] I wrote one myself
15:20:25[ lucas] ozyman doesn't like lossy networks
15:20:37[ pusling] when will it be apt-gettable ?
15:20:53[ lucas] when french law allows it
15:20:56[ lucas] so probably never :)
15:21:23[ pusling] oh. what stupid laws do france have against ip-over-dns ?
15:22:01[ h01ger] abusing other peoples infrastructure?
15:22:10[ lucas] it's forbidden to distribute software written to hack into a network you are not allowed to connect to
15:22:18[ lucas] like aircrack-ng and stuff
15:23:08[ h01ger] lucas, you could loose the source in argentina, accidently a version where your name is removed... :)
15:23:24[ h01ger] you know, shit happens :)
15:23:39[ pusling] heh.
15:23:48[ lucas] I'm planning something like that
15:25:01[ h01ger] dont!!
15:26:04[ h01ger] lucas, is debian distributed in france?
15:26:14[ h01ger] how does that work? noone cares?
15:26:41[ lucas] yes, noone cares
15:26:52[ lucas] but I'm a bit more worried about distributing something myself
15:29:56[ abi] nstx worked quite well for me on the airports
15:30:14[ abi] havent tried iodine so far
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15:33:50[ lucas] yeah, but nstx is easy to block since it uses EDNS to send larger packets
15:33:58[ lucas] and iodine uses NULL DNS records
15:34:19[ lucas] it's probably the only thing NULL records are used for
15:35:32[ lucas] nstx and iodine are fast when they work, but don't work everywhere
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15:44:18[ stew] what are the circumstances where an orphaned package is uploaded with Debian QA Group as maintainer, as opposed to letting it sit with its previous maintainer?
15:44:32[ stew] is it just done the next time a bugfix release is uploaded?
15:45:29[ stew] or are uploads made just to change the maintainer?  and if so, when?  at the behest of the previous maintainer?
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16:54:16[ pusling] uploads are often made just to change the maintainer.
16:54:33[ pusling] MIA-people:  noshiro@do - if he isn't tracked, he might need to
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17:42:47[ ana] h01ger: do you know if dato is in mdrid already?
17:45:37[ h01ger] no idea, but i guess so, we exchanged phone numbers and i'd expect he would call me or someone else if he'd have problems
17:46:28[ ana] ok
17:49:38 * h01ger almost forgot his sandals 8-)
17:56:34[ ana] i'm going to pack the laptop, see you layer :)
17:57:06[ h01ger] cu
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19:23:57[ Myon] have fun down there
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00:36:12[ h01ger] re :)
00:39:02 * ana wavbes =)
00:39:47[ pusling] oh - you arrrived ?
00:40:29[ ana] yes :D
00:40:37[ ana] have a nice dinner too already =) =)
00:42:07[ pusling] a nice big steak ? ;)
00:42:11[ h01ger] dato just called, the APs they see are encrypted. then luk found one, that is not. the network here is, a, strange. hopefully it will work more or less flawlessly in the meeting room
00:44:06 * tiCo waves
00:44:56[ tiCo] h01ger: Here I don't get a DHCP IP if I use "Velada", i have to use "velada" with a small v :)
00:46:02[ HE] Well, ana may had a nice big steak. The rest of us got sandwiches :)
00:46:07[ Myon] NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION
00:46:28[ ana] no
00:46:30[ ana] i had fish
00:46:38[ ana] i do nto like meat =)
00:46:55[ ana] hwo is your in-room dinner?
00:49:44[ tiCo] Hmmmm... I'm interested in the joghurt and a banana... the rest... :)
00:50:30 * h01ger gave his meat to tiCo and Ganneff...
00:50:38[ Ganneff] wuff
00:50:56[ Ganneff] good network here
00:51:48[ h01ger] we seem to be lucky :)
00:53:16[ h01ger] connection lost, reconnected to the same ap...
00:54:14[ h01ger] and the first http connection is always redirected...
00:54:30[ Ganneff] aha. then dont do http :)
00:55:01[ h01ger] :)
01:08:46 * tiCo waves good-night
01:09:27[ HE] Anyway, going to bed now too
01:09:40[ Ganneff] ay. its time
01:09:48[ Ganneff] breakfast at 930, right?
01:10:00[ HE] Yep
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02:01:29[ dato] no wireless for luk at me in the room
02:01:37[ dato] we're in the sofa in the 1st floor
02:01:47[ luk] lol
02:05:10[ h01ger] thats because you should sleep now and work during the day! we can afford RM/RAs to be tired!
02:05:17[ h01ger] s/can/cant/
02:06:34[ liw] I had trouble getting online, especially with NetworkManager -- there's a bunch of APs with the same ESSID, and some of them are encrypted and some are not
02:06:44[ liw] but I entered a password of "Velada" and it worked
02:07:01[ dato] liw: d'oh
02:07:19[ dato] we'll try that when we go back up
02:08:10[ h01ger] hihi
02:08:19[ h01ger] this net is so weird
02:08:27[ liw] it's an interesting implementation of "open wireless network"?
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02:49:29[ Atomo64] maybe I shouldn't have posted my message as a follow up to my previous one, but is there any objection on keep reporting about bad watch files? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/11/msg00903.html
02:52:49[ Atomo64] btw, right now I'm refreshing DEHS' watch-wizard-generated watch files with the changes I just made to the backend (hoping to generate even more watch files). I've also added the missing code so the wwiz column on developer.php shows the real data
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08:17:50[ ana] breakfast \o/
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09:07:22[ Ganneff] baaad tiCo...
09:07:47[ Ganneff] had sooooooooooooooooooooooo big plans yesterday to go out, running, at 0800 - and now doesnt even get out at 0900....
09:07:53[ tiCo] Pssst :(
09:08:05[ Ganneff] bad bad tico.
09:08:13[ tiCo] I was walking enough at the airports yesterday :)
09:08:16[ Ganneff] no
09:08:36[ Ganneff] thats a poor excuse
09:11:05[ h01ger] Ganneff on the other has been doing excercises since 7 am...
09:11:09[ h01ger] +hand
09:11:12[ h01ger] :)
09:12:17[ Ganneff] *I* havent said "I want to run at 0800". no way.
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09:15:32[ tiCo] h01ger: Do you want to come out _now_ to do soething for your health? (i.e smoking)
09:16:49[ Ganneff] s/for/against/
09:16:52[ HE] ACK
09:18:50[ h01ger] i'd rather go showering...
09:19:29 * liw votes for showering
09:20:03 * h01ger gets up
09:20:12[ Ganneff] * tico votes for lazyness
09:20:16 * HE showered. It's like chlorid with more chlorid and then some water mixed in #)
09:20:19[ Ganneff] and some light flashing, it seems
09:20:34[ tiCo] Bah...
09:20:58[ tiCo] Nothing lazyness...
09:21:01[ HE] Ganneff: tico is flashing you? That's not nice
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10:36:02[ liw] for the people in Merida... I think the QA people should move to this end of the table to reduce shouting and have more space between us and the other teams (= also reduce shouting)
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10:55:53 * tiCo slaps KiBi: Stand up and come to the room and tell something about you :)
11:04:35[ pusling] sleepy-kibi ?
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11:10:35[ tiCo] pusling: Yes :(
11:11:21 * pusling shakes KiBi 
11:12:35 * HE shakes pusling for not being here
11:13:10 * pusling is busy doing assignments in mssql
11:14:17[ tiCo] m_s_sql? poor pusling 
11:14:34[ lucas] vlosuts
11:14:47[ lucas] godog: ^
11:14:48[ HE] Gesundheit.
11:15:12[ pusling] tiCo: yeah. poor me.
11:15:20[ pusling] running it in virtualbox in my laptop. dead slow
11:16:41[ godog] lucas: thanks ;)
11:19:14[ tiCo] godog: If we're already here... Do we want to discuss the bluez-utils bugs and look which we want to tag +wontfix? :)
11:21:51[ godog] tiCo: makes sense, yes
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11:28:31 * KiBi slaps tiCo in return.
11:28:44[ HE] KiBi: Here
11:29:04[ tiCo] KiBi: orly?
11:33:26 * KiBi patpats HE.
11:33:36[ KiBi] tiCo: That's where I come from, yes. :)
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11:43:42[ KiBi] abi: wotomae is said to be up.
12:02:07[ tiCo] damog: You have a script which checks old ITA's and ITP's and then retitles it right? Where do you have it? :)
12:08:23[ pusling] isn't it autodamogic ?
12:10:05[ HE] pusling: That was a bad, bad, joke
12:10:31[ tiCo] pusling: yes but I would like to have a look at it
12:19:57[ pusling] HE: I am master of those ...
12:23:01[ Ganneff] do we need a local mirror?
12:27:50[ liw] I have mine, running badblocks to see if the disk survived the trip
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12:28:09[ liw] but I don't have a use for it myself currently, maybe later
12:38:08[ Ganneff] ok. mine is up in my room. i will bring it here after lunch
12:40:04[ ondrej] hi guys - last chance to check your names, before my blogs gets synced with planet debian: http://ondrejcertik.blogspot.com/2007/11/debian-meeting-in-merida-spain.html
12:58:01[ zack] Goneri: just let me know when you're up for some svn-buildstat hacking/chat
13:01:46[ KiBi] Now.
13:01:50[ KiBi] zack: ^
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13:46:15[ godog] I keep reading vlosuts as vlosluts :(
13:48:05[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1737 /trunk/mia/status.py: Don't bail out when warning about duplicate entries
13:49:50[ KiBi] Whom should I ask to review & possibly commit: http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi-guest/trash/0001-Add-a-link-to-the-svnbuildstat-pages.patch & http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi-guest/trash/0002-Add-a-link-from-the-PTS-to-svnbuildstat.patch ?
13:51:13[ tiCo] You should state where you patch this :)
13:52:31[ KiBi] qa.debian.org's svn
13:53:01[ tiCo] KiBi: ask luk to sponsor it, he did the same with r1737 :)
13:53:34[ KiBi] luk: ^
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14:01:47[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1738 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: Add link to svnbuildstats (KiBi)
14:02:11[ tiCo] KiBi: \o/
14:04:43[ zack] luk: did you trigger regeneration of the PTS pages?
14:05:15[ luk] nope
14:05:49[ zack] luk: ok, then wait, i'll probably make some more changes soon
14:06:03[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1739 /trunk/wml/developer.wml: Add link to svnbuildstat for maintainer (KiBi)
14:16:38[ lucas] good, our team of spanish-english translators is back
14:16:56[ lucas] I can stop speaking french at the reception!
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14:21:56[ dato] re
14:22:16 * dato wasn't asleep. he was giving a talk at the University with ana and h01ger 
14:22:32[ lucas] how did it go?
14:23:04[ dato] lucas: pretty well, I guess
14:24:07 * ana is translating the menu
14:24:21[ KiBi] \o/ ana
14:24:31[ ana] who is hungry? :-P
14:24:32[ dato] I'm going to blog, because some people were unhappy that all the talks they've received about debian in that university have been very dd-centric
14:24:39[ ana] we had beer and food in the university
14:24:41[ ana] and coffee
14:24:44[ KiBi] ana: Everyone, I think. :)
14:24:44[ ana] and mroe breakfast :-P
14:24:46[ Ganneff] FOOOD
14:24:49[ ana] ahh ah
14:24:52[ dato] somehow the message that *every* contribution, even if small, is welcome, wasn't passed along
14:24:55[ ana] you should have come to the talk
14:25:21[ ana] it was in spanish but there was food
14:25:51[ Ganneff] i want food here. less to move.
14:26:00[ pusling] habla hespanol ? 
14:27:59[ HE] Foooood.
14:28:23[ ana] 1) bean with cod and spinach
14:28:27[ ana] 2) beef stew
14:28:28[ dato] pusling: not "h", "español"
14:28:29[ ana] 3) cake
14:28:50[ lucas] We will try to do a key signing party. Does someone need to print something before?
14:28:56 * ana 
14:29:00[ zack] lucas: I do
14:29:05[ HE] ana: That's the vegatarian option? :-P
14:29:05[ Myon] can I participate via IRC?
14:29:07[ zack] lucas: godog too :)
14:29:10[ godog] indeed
14:29:20 * dato brought fingerprints.
14:29:28[ liw] Myon, you can, we will be happy to tell keyring-maint that your key needs to be removed :)
14:29:28[ dato] I'll need to print a copy of my fake ID, though.
14:29:30[ ana] HE: beef?
14:29:47[ ana] liw: cesar talked with the waiter about your food issues
14:30:08[ liw] ana, I can eat the beef stew, at least
14:30:36[ Myon] /wii myon <-- note the SSL fingerprint!
14:30:43[ Myon] that should be enough proof
14:30:56[ HE] ana: I'm aware that it isn't vegetarian, just wondered what those who care about that are going to eat 
14:30:57[ ana] an, i guess we'll have wine to drink too
14:31:05[ ana] HE: i'll ask now
14:31:19[ HE] ana: I see that you don't do it right now :-P
14:31:35[ lucas] zack, godog, ana: there should be a printer somewhere, please ask Cesar about it, and don't procastinate printing too much :)
14:31:39 * lucas saw the printer
14:31:46[ ana] liw: we brought the printer
14:31:55[ ana] well, h01ger did
14:32:08[ liw] ana, I think you meant that for lucas :)
14:32:24[ ana] yes
14:32:49[ HE] I would need to print fingerprints too
14:33:08[ liw] I have business cards with fingerprints, so I'm fine for keysigning
14:33:17[ HE] And the food is late!!!!!!1 It was promised for 14:30
14:33:33[ lucas] Canonical business cards? or Debian? :)
14:33:34[ liw] HE, manana
14:33:36[ h01ger] cesar brought the printer i just carried it. and we have a camera
14:33:38[ liw] lucas, Braawi
14:33:38[ Ganneff] FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
14:33:41[ Ganneff] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW
14:33:42[ h01ger] HE, you should do the RMS
14:33:46[ h01ger] Ganneff, you too
14:34:16[ ana] can somebody tie down ganneff?
14:34:27[ HE] He doesn't look like he needs it
14:34:29[ h01ger] we need duct tape!
14:34:29[ liw] h01ger, actually, I'm thinking that I would prefer that random discussions and bofs not be taped; presentations, perhaps, but it's probably not going to work very well, technically (the acoustics of this room are... echoey)
14:34:38[ ana] can somebody tie up ganneff?
14:34:57[ HE] Hmmm, #debian-bondage?
14:35:10[ h01ger] liw, jaja (you're right. we might try but not emphasize. and i'm not here to do video stuff. HE asked for the camera and he will be the operator :)
14:35:25[ ana] HE: do not give ideas
14:35:34[ HE] h01ger: Eh? I just wanted to know *if* it would happen
14:35:38[ lucas] ana: food is 2:30 +- how much? :)
14:35:44[ liw] do not meddle with the food of ganneffs, they are milk-drinkers and prone to speak German
14:36:07[ ana] lucas: i said 2:30 but i did not say in which TZ
14:36:17[ HE] liw: Thou shall between Bernd and Joerg, with Holger and me on the other side of the table. And we will all speak german!
14:36:26[ HE] s/shall/$& sit/
14:36:44[ ana] HE: you will speak after the lunch, i hope
14:36:52[ HE] ana: About what?
14:36:54[ ana] because if not we'll ear your food
14:37:02[ liw] HE, achtung, ja bitte, mit Wiener-Schnitzel und Panzerwagen mit Lederhosen und Kartoffeln
14:38:11[ HE] liw: I think we won't have Panzerwagen for lunch today
14:38:34[ pusling] HE: but lederhosen ?
14:38:44[ liw] pusling, Ganneff is here
14:38:48[ HE] pusling: Maybe, there's beef involved
14:39:03[ Ganneff] ummm
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14:39:24[ Ganneff] all shutup, bzed is here.
14:39:27[ tiCo] :)
14:39:32[ liw] lunchtime
14:39:35[ tiCo] FOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!¨111111!!
14:40:33 * pusling is hungry
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16:12:50 * ana ZZZzzz
16:12:58[ Ganneff] what from?
16:13:06[ ana] Ganneff: ?
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16:13:44[ liw] Goneri, so are you going to accept "Wienerschnitzel und Panzerwagen mit Bananen-Kartoffeln" as a better name for svnbuildstat?
16:17:23[ liw] (and "Top Secret!" is the name of the movie I couldn't remember)
16:17:28[ tiCo] :)
16:18:17[ dato] oh, that reminds me
16:18:35[ dato] HE: the film I was watched yesterday in the train was "Absolute power". I got to finish it in my room at 2am.
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16:19:56[ HE] dato: Ah :)
16:20:14[ HE] ana: You don't look like you would actually sleep
16:21:25[ ana] HE: I'm findinf hard avoid crashing my head against my laptop asleep
16:22:31[ liw] I'm feeling tired, too
16:22:50[ ana] when is the next talk/boh/whatever?
16:22:52[ h01ger]  /leave #debian-qa too much talk about sleep, i'm tired too
16:23:03[ ana] can we have a nap bof?
16:23:08[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1740 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: pack debcheck information so that it stays on a single line
16:23:13[ ana] well, everybody but kibi and godog 
16:23:14 * h01ger 'd appreciate a short summary of what happened this morning here...
16:23:15[ HE] *yawn*
16:23:16[ ana] eer, Goneri 
16:24:43[ godog] dato: so what is the bzr magic to send appropriate patches to pkg-debian-python-discuss?
16:25:03[ liw] h01ger, we discussed "Removal/orphaning of useless/unmaintained packages", "workflow for orphaned packages", "{svn,git,ppa,whatever}buildstat" (new name above), "Debian/Ubuntu collaboration on QA"
16:25:22[ h01ger] ic
16:25:23[ liw] h01ger, just talk, no action, and some things only in a preliminary way
16:25:35[ ana] gah, i wanted to be in the Removal/orphaning of useless/unmaintained packages", "workflow for orphaned packages", talks
16:25:46[ h01ger] liw, thanks. i also heard you talked about your plans for piuparts
16:26:01[ liw] h01ger, yeah, I had to, since no-one is interested in the bof :)
16:26:06[ dato] godog: bzr send -o ../foo.diff, and send that diff
16:26:27[ godog] dato: \o/ thanks
16:27:12[ h01ger] should we make a short status meeting? in debian-edu in status meetings everybody says in 30secs to 2min what (s)he is working on. very nice to get an overview and to connect with people working on the same stuff etc
16:27:18[ luk] ana: check out svn://svn.debian.org/svn/collab-qa/bapase
16:27:32 * ana looks
16:27:40[ liw] h01ger, we had a round of introductions, as well
16:28:02 * h01ger missed all the fun it seenms
16:28:06[ liw] h01ger, yes :)
16:28:12[ ana] yes :-(
16:28:27[ ana] no olny h01ger, dato and i too
16:29:11[ ana] what do we have this evening? 
16:29:42[ liw] oh, it's 16:30 already
16:29:46[ Ganneff] dinner
16:29:51[ liw] don't talk about dinner
16:29:54[ liw] we just had lunch
16:30:03[ Ganneff] she asked what we will have this evening
16:30:06[ Ganneff] and we WILL have dinner
16:30:27[ dato] how are you guys handling having lunch so late?
16:30:32[ damog] tiCo: That's an old script I was planning to replace.
16:30:33[ ana] Ganneff: no, we are not hving dinner
16:30:41[ Ganneff] dato: bad
16:30:45[ ana] the prople in the hotel got mad we did not had dinner yesterday
16:30:49[ Ganneff] ana: i sure will.
16:30:55[ ana] so they punished us without dinner today
16:30:59[ damog] hah
16:41:25[ godog] dato: done
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16:47:16[ HE] ana: Don't tell him that, Ganneff is going to eat people if he's not getting dinner
16:47:37[ Ganneff] starting with those telling me i wont get food
16:48:34 * ana hides
16:49:11[ ana] Ganneff: i do not eat meat, i'm not tasty
16:49:27[ ana] better start with luk
16:49:49[ h01ger] Goneri, i think we want svnbuildstat for debian-edu :) looks great!
16:50:01[ Ganneff] he didnt say i wont get food
16:50:21[ liw] Ganneff, strlen("luk") == strlen("ana")
16:52:32[ luk] lucas: please lets have the 30secs on IRC :-)
16:52:42[ Ganneff] but md5sum(luk) != md5sum(ana)
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16:52:46[ dato] luk: yeah, I thought it was going to be on irc
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16:53:21[ luk] bapase
16:56:39[ HE] There's a difference between babase_FR and babase_BE
16:58:36[ luk] s/BE/nl_BE/
16:58:43[ luk] s/FR/fr_FR/
16:58:51[ luk] s/babase/bapase/
17:01:03[ h01ger] .oO( teletubby 2.0 )
17:01:33[ KiBi] ahah
17:01:33[ luk] what's lucas going to talk about now?
17:02:06[ liw] luk, about using a supercomputer to find bugs and win DPL votes for HE
17:02:26[ KiBi] luk: NMU, PTS.
17:02:36[ KiBi] luk: Look at the beamer. :)
17:03:23[ Ganneff] there should be a mirror behind 172.16.1.130:/mirror (nfs mount) now.
17:03:44[ HE] liw: I'm not happy...
17:04:32[ liw] HE, of course not, not enough wine
17:04:50[ h01ger] HE, gyrosgeier has booze
17:05:16::: Ganneff changed the topic of #debian-qa to: <HE> I have nothing to do, but squashing RC bugs looks too hard. | When you have QA news, please add them http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Reports/Draft | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007 || Mirror: 172.16.1.130:/mirror (nfs)
17:09:08[ ana] Ganneff: THANKS
17:10:33[ ana] oops, after dato talked i thought it was time to talk.. (is this a talk or a bof?)
17:11:24[ luk] it's a bof on IRC
17:11:27[ KiBi] ana: 1/ in theory, 2/ in fact.
17:11:34[ KiBi] luk: Your're the BOFH
17:11:46[ KiBi] s/B?O/RM/
17:11:59::: Irssi: #debian-qa: Total of 47 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 47 normal]
17:11:59[ HE] KiBi: The RMFH?
17:12:23[ HE] KiBi: There are a few vocals missing from that
17:12:39[ KiBi] HE: Are you going to ask as Ondrej “what have you been doing in Debian” to luk?
17:12:41[ ana] w d nt nd vwls
17:12:58[ HE] KiBi: Eh?
17:13:27[ KiBi] HE: I was wondering whether you didn't catch what RM stands for, and what luk is doing in Debian. :)
17:13:31[ ana] ondrej did forget add pictures of the people that were away this morning :-(
17:15:43[ HE] KiBi: Oh, I have a rough idea what RM means, it's just that BOFH is something you can actually use in a spoken sentence, while RMFH breaks your tongue
17:19:00[ KiBi] HE: I'm speaking. Over IRC, but well.
17:19:26[ KiBi] Once one's drunk enough, I'm sure even RMFH is speakable.
17:20:09[ HE] Add wine?
17:22:07[ KiBi] Wine Manager From Release Hell?
17:23:09[ ana] dato: do you have the page of that buxy thingie you mentioned?
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17:27:20[ godog] ana: CRMI
17:27:37[ godog] http://wiki.debian.org/CRMI
17:29:18[ ana] godog: thanks
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17:32:26[ ana] uhm, i like this idea
17:32:40[ ana] but instead of using control add a new file with optional info
17:33:00[ ana] like NMU: Yes/No
17:33:07[ ana] Want-CoMaintainers: Yes/No
17:33:10[ ana] and stuff like that
17:33:17[ tiCo] Want-Coffee: Yes
17:34:34[ KiBi] Could someone run a find on merkel:/org/qa.debian.org/data, please?
17:34:53[ KiBi] Result sent by mail to cyril.brulebois@enst-bretagne.fr or linked from the intarwebs would be welcome. TIA.
17:38:52[ dato] KiBi: just a plain "find | sort" ?
17:41:44[ KiBi] dato: yes, please.
17:41:53[ KiBi] (I can do the sort myself anyway)
17:42:09[ KiBi] It's just that I've got no account on this box.
17:42:09[ Ganneff] are you sure you can?
17:42:30[ KiBi] Ganneff: Last time I checked at least.
17:44:30[ dato] KiBi: http://merkel.debian.org/~adeodato/tmp/qa.d.o_data.bz2 (2.4M)
17:45:13[ Ganneff] python is crap
17:45:17[ KiBi] dato: Thanks, got it.
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17:47:00[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1741 /trunk/pts/www/bin/ (do_all.sh list_packages.sh): factorized file finding and simplified do_all.sh
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17:47:42[ ana] Ganneff: you totally need dam approve kibi
17:48:00[ HE] ana: He doesn't need DAM approval, he's posting weird pictures of me
17:48:11[ ana] Ganneff: i'mm throw you a candy if you dont
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17:48:53[ dato] he should get approved in time for the next elmo run
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17:48:58[ ana] +1
17:49:06[ ana] we need kibi with cow powers
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17:49:45[ KiBi] this kibi has no dd powers
17:52:13 * tiCo slaps KiBi :(
17:53:15[ KiBi] You're far too far away :)
17:54:03[ godog] no way I could get piuparts to check cron files for output even if the code appears to be there :(
17:54:18[ ana] it should to by default
17:54:23[ ana] do you have a log there?
17:54:26[ KiBi] You're zzz'ing.
17:55:53[ lucas] KiBi: you are not DD yet?
17:56:39[ KiBi] lucas: Not last time I checked.
17:57:03[ godog] ana: hold on
17:57:09[ h01ger] Goneri, svnbuildstat.d.n reports for olsrd+batmand in collab-maint that the tarballs are missing. where do i need to put them, so that they are found?
17:57:18 * h01ger sighs over dropping ssh connections
17:57:39[ lucas] KiBi: you should use websec to check your nm.debian.org page
17:57:48[ lucas] KiBi: I was doing that
17:58:40[ godog] h01ger: use autossh (with my autossh maintainer on)
17:59:26 * KiBi lands a “hat” word.
18:00:02[ godog] ana: should be the same with or without -a right?
18:00:13[ liw] godog, yes
18:00:33[ h01ger] godog, sounds like a good opportunity to switch indeed
18:00:46[ h01ger] liw, daily mirror runs on piuparts are quiet now, except when it fails
18:00:53[ liw] h01ger, cool, thanks
18:02:16[ godog] h01ger: are there logs of piuparts runs? I couldn't remember where
18:03:03[ h01ger] godog, wiki.debian.org/piuparts should link them. but i dont think they are uptodate. (the piuparts version running on piatti is old, eg)
18:03:39[ liw] . o O (piuparts needs an actual, working test suite with good coverage)
18:03:53[ ana] liw: yes
18:03:57[ ana] totally
18:04:12[ liw] who's the idiot who wrote this crap?
18:04:18[ liw] oh, right, it was me
18:04:21 * liw is ashamed
18:04:37 * h01ger was about to blame, hmm, who is the current default to be blamed?
18:04:43[ ana] you can blame me
18:05:00[ ana] then i'll hug liw searching for comfort
18:05:01[ ana] liw: :P
18:06:21[ liw] ana, that would be appropriate punishment for doing what I did to piuparts
18:06:46[ ana] heh
18:07:13[ liw] ana, is anyone but you (and now me) active in developing piuparts?
18:07:33[ godog] http://rafb.net/p/gNztcC10.html
18:07:36[ liw] ana, in other words, is there anyone else who needs to be consulted if I want to change version control systems?
18:07:41[ ana] yes
18:07:44[ ana] jsw
18:07:58[ ana] John Wright <jsw@debian.org>
18:08:06[ liw] ana, oh, right, I asked you this already
18:08:34 * lucas thinks: python<->ruby sounds like svn<->git
18:08:42[ HE] lucas: Yes
18:08:45[ ondrej] nono - like hg <-> git
18:08:53[ HE] lucas: In both cases, it's "perl" and "darcs"
18:09:08[ ana] lucas: python is much easier to understand than ruby (my 2 cents)
18:09:28[ ondrej] and there are better scientific libraries in python. :)
18:10:02[ lucas] let's do a "languages+CVS BOF" tonight after some beers
18:10:04[ HE] And Perl is nicer!
18:10:08[ KiBi] CVS or VCS?
18:10:13[ KiBi] CVS is all but a VCS.
18:10:16[ lucas] VCS
18:10:20[ h01ger] SCCS!
18:10:26[ dato] lucas: yes!!
18:10:27[ godog] RCS
18:10:33[ dato] s/CVS/VCS/
18:10:34[ Ganneff] manual cp
18:10:36[ h01ger] godog, way to modern
18:10:38[ godog] ana: http://rafb.net/p/gNztcC10.html
18:10:39[ KiBi] SCM
18:10:46[ KiBi] Oh, different topic. :)
18:10:49[ h01ger] LSD, BSD, ..
18:11:31[ tiCo] h01ger: ::::::O ?
18:11:51[ lucas] CMS?
18:12:03[ lucas] actually, I think there's a shortage of 3-letter acronyms
18:12:14[ HE] lucas: ORLY?
18:12:24[ ana] godog: looking at it
18:17:41[ tiCo] h01ger?
18:17:48[ h01ger] tiCo, ?
18:17:56[ h01ger] tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiCo
18:18:02[ tiCo] h01ger: This is an ascii-cigarette :)
18:18:42 * h01ger is already smoking: :-Q
18:20:14[ dato] godog, I review your patch btw. if you don't mind, I could go and explain how I'd like for it to be merged.
18:20:25[ godog] dato: please do
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18:43:36[ godog] dato: I think I'm gonna send you the bundle instead of waiting for alioth to sync new groups (provided that I'll forget to commit)
18:44:03[ dato] godog: if you'd like, no problem. no need to send the bundle, I have it.
18:47:17[ godog] dato: ah right, please commit then :D
19:11:21[ liw] zack, when you have a moment, holger and I would like a word with you about pts and piuparts integration
19:14:34[ zack] liw: ack
19:24:24[ lucas] Could someone familiar with MIA tell me if it would be OK to mass-orphan all of Andrew Mitchell (ajmitch) packages?
19:24:50[ lucas] he is a very active ubuntu developer that doesn't answer mails from MIA, or my "should this be removed?" emails
19:25:36[ luk] lucas: what does an IRC ping on freenode do?
19:26:27[ Ganneff] it sends a msg to the users client and waits if it gets a reply.
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19:27:22[ dato] lol
19:28:33[ Ganneff] the chairs are damn uncomfortable. :(
19:28:52[ liw] Ganneff, yes, they are
19:29:50[ lucas] luk: already tried, does nothing
19:30:13[ luk] ok, then you can mass orphan his packages
19:30:35[ lucas] is there a script to do that?
19:30:39[ lucas] (/me not familiar with MIA)
19:31:12[ luk] mutt-orphan
19:31:43[ luk] it's in the repo and on merkel...
19:32:07[ tiCo] luk: http://people.debian.org/~mario/patches/mutt-orphan.patch
19:33:16[ godog] lucas: I was reviewing t-code, looks like a good candidate, should I fill in Template.proposed-orphan?
19:36:31[ lucas] godog: just use mutt -H Template.proposed-orphan
19:37:34 * godog hugs mutt
19:38:33[ godog] lucas: thanks, do you think it is appropriate? t-code looks quite degrated
19:40:33[ lucas] shouldn't it be removed instead?
19:40:58[ lucas] no upload since 2003, 4 RC bugs, low popcon
19:41:25[ lucas] + description starts with "Yet another", meaning there are alternatives :-)
19:43:04[ godog] makes sense, the maintainer is active though, at least ldapsearch says so
19:43:25[ godog] active not in this package at least
19:43:30[ lucas] you should use Template.proposed-removal
19:43:46[ lucas] (vs -orphan)
19:44:41[ KiBi] Could someone from ddpo please review <http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi-guest/trash/dm-suffix-in-ddpo.diff>?
19:44:42[ godog] okay
19:44:44[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1742 /trunk/mia/mutt-orphan: Add the option to set the Bcc address yourself to make it possible to avoid duplicate entries more easily.
19:45:11[ KiBi] Looks like what I did before will only be needed for the PTS.
19:45:23[ KiBi] zack: when you have a moment ;-)
19:45:36[ dato] KiBi: git-svn?
19:45:59[ KiBi] dato: yup
19:46:00[ tiCo] When is dinner time? :)
19:47:52[ zack] KiBi: my queue of people is growing :)
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19:48:28[ godog] lucas: allright, filed, I guess I have to wait for bug number and append PROP_RM(#) to package_actions.txt
19:49:02[ liw] . o O (it would be nice if there was a way to file bugs and get the bug number immediately, perhaps using another interface than smtp)
19:52:07[ HE] liw: I would love to reserve a block of bug numbers and use them at my own discretion :)
19:52:33[ liw] HE, "49999 - 500001"?
19:53:07[ HE] liw: What am I supposed to do with 450002 bugs? :)
19:53:52[ dato] 450003?
19:55:03[ dato] +not
19:55:24[ HE] Hmmm. Dunno, I'm not good at computing
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20:03:43[ liw] HE, lots of QA? :)
20:03:55[ HE] liw: Sounds like a plan
20:04:30[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1743 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/news2rss.xsl: new stylesheet to generate RSS feeds for package latest news
20:06:27[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1744 /trunk/pts/www/web/common/pts.css: CSS rendering for the (forthcoming) RSS hyperlink
20:07:51[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1745 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl:
20:07:51[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: - add generation of (hyper)links to RSS feeds when available
20:07:51[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: - factorized cut&paste code which used to generate news and static info
20:08:25[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1746 /trunk/pts/www/bin/generate_html.sh: invoke stylesheet to generate RSS feeds of package news
20:08:39[ ana] what time are we having dinner?
20:08:55[ liw] ana, not before 21, says dato
20:09:08[ dato] ana: they asked a bit ago, and I told them that *if* it was spanish time, not before 21
20:09:14[ dato] dunno if it can be earlier
20:10:58[ ana] i guess msp and the other guy are arriving in a while?
20:11:04[ HE] ana: Already did
20:12:42[ ana] where they are?
20:13:07[ Myon] KiBi: looking
20:14:49[ HE] ana: Got lost or something. No idea. Came in, were very loud, left.
20:16:03[ liw] it's summer here, there are bugs crawling on tables
20:16:13[ ana] liw: heh :)
20:16:38[ Myon] KiBi: there's already "dm:" in the mouseover title on the version number
20:18:06[ Myon] the dm-upload-allowed flag is more interesting
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20:27:27[ KiBi] Myon: It is not really visible actually (in the tooltip).
20:27:43[ KiBi] (Sorry for the late replies, machine freezes)
20:27:51[ Myon] working on a patch
20:31:41 * ana installs KDE4 to show it to dato
20:32:06[ ana] Ganneff: you should jnot look at my laptop in the next mintues if you do not want see it
20:32:58[ Myon] does it feature a MILK theme?
20:33:03[ Ganneff] what reason should i have to look at that laptop?
20:34:09[ Myon] hmm, I guess packages with latin1-encoded maintainers can generally be orphaned (rperrot)...
20:34:34[ lucas] ana: can't you use the beamer and demo us kde4? :)
20:36:25[ ana] lucas: show hwo almsot anything works?
20:36:49[ ana] not even my keyboard
20:38:36[ lucas] cool
20:38:53[ lucas] I'll finally have a reason to use gnome
20:40:08[ Myon] heh: Javier Fernandez-Sanguino Pen~a <jfs@compute.org>
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20:40:33[ ana] do not mention jfs please :)
20:40:41[ dato] I hope it's computeR.org
20:40:53[ ana] it is his new anti spam  system
20:41:01[ liw] ana, why not mention jfs?
20:41:18[ ana] liw: persona, related i18n-spanish rant
20:41:22[ ana] personal*
20:41:26[ liw] ana, ah, ok
20:42:20[ tiCo] ana: Regards from lisa, she never forgets you *g*
20:43:00[ ana] tiCo: she is so sweet =)
20:43:08[ ana] send her my regards
20:43:19[ tiCo] I was on phone with her some minutes ago ;)
20:43:55[ tiCo] phoning from .es to .ch with my handy is less expensive than phoning in .ch to .ch... haha
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20:44:51[ zack] KiBi: can you please name some DM-maintained package?
20:44:57[ KiBi] zack: debtorrent
20:45:03[ zack] right, I forgot it :)
20:46:55[ HE] tiCo: Handy reminds me of the fact that I'm getting weird looks when I mess up and use "mobile" when I speak german :)
20:47:50[ ana] they do not like germans here
20:48:27[ tiCo] HE :)
20:48:59[ HE] ana: liw loves the germans
20:49:03[ Myon] KiBi: http://qa.debian.org/~myon/developer.php?login=camrdale@gmail.com
20:49:09[ HE] ana: Especially when they sit around him at dinner and speak german
20:49:27[ ana] liw: we can speak finnish later if you want
20:50:20[ liw] ana, nein, die Germanen mit Lederhosen essen Wienerschnitzel unter Panzerwagen wie die Kartoffeln, es macht ganz viel Spas
20:50:38[ HE] liw: BANANENkartoffeln!
20:50:41[ ana] hakuna matata
20:50:48[ KiBi] Je suis un ananas.
20:51:07[ HE] KiBi: How fruity
20:51:24[ tiCo] J'ai oublie tout les mots francais que j'ai appris :)
20:51:31[ tiCo] .o0(including the grammar)
20:52:49[ KiBi] HE: I'm learning from clint.
20:52:56::: mode/#debian-qa [+o Myon] by ChanServ
20:52:59::: mode/#debian-qa [-co Myon] by Myon
20:53:51[ Ganneff] why are you stealing +c? you love colors now? :)
20:54:19[ Myon] wait and see
20:54:48[ KiBi] Myon: That's great.
20:54:59[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: myon * r1747 /trunk/ (data/ddpo/extract_archive.pl wml/developer.wml): show [DM] for DM-allowed packages
20:55:13[ KiBi] Myon: I was thinking that tagging every version actually uploaded by a DM would be interesting too.
20:55:36[ Myon] that's already in the keyid popup
20:55:42[ godog] how nice, author color matches nick color in my theme
20:55:55[ Myon] heh
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20:58:16[ ana] irssi with colours is weird
20:58:21[ ana] it does not look serious
20:58:34[ Myon] you are light cyan
20:58:45 * ana feels relieved
20:58:49[ ana] i thought i was pink
20:58:50[ Ganneff] ana is light blue
20:59:00[ ana] good good
20:59:05[ KiBi] dark cyan, rather
20:59:06[ Myon] KiBi is bold pink
20:59:06[ HE] ana is grey
20:59:13[ Ganneff] kibi is dark green
20:59:16 * luk is black I hope
20:59:17[ Ganneff] and myon light green
20:59:20[ Ganneff] he dark blue
20:59:34[ HE] Kibi is grey too. As is luk, Myon and Ganneff
20:59:35[ Ganneff] liw is pink
20:59:47 * dato ponders asking what color is he.
20:59:52[ Ganneff] and luk is also pink
20:59:55[ Myon] I'm running a slightly patched version, so colors could be different here
21:00:01[ Ganneff] dato is red
21:00:03[ KiBi] dato: white when you're /me-ing.
21:00:10[ ana] dato: you have to be pink
21:00:12[ Ganneff] no, light blue when he does /me
21:00:14[ dato] KiBi: heh
21:00:15[ ana] you must to
21:00:16[ KiBi] Light green otherwise.
21:00:19[ lucas] me? :)
21:00:23[ dato] ana: I'm not pink, only my win decorations are
21:00:27[ Ganneff] lucas is light green too.
21:00:40[ KiBi] Light cyan, you mean.
21:00:45[ Ganneff] and this line has all of you included
21:00:51 * ana claps
21:00:55 * lucas waves
21:01:02 * tiCo gets an eye cancer
21:01:33[ KiBi] Ganneff: No, you're missing grey.
21:01:48[ dato] ana: heh, Ganneff's line reminds me of *that* day in #dudes
21:01:48[ Ganneff] noone here is grey
21:02:10[ KiBi] #incldudes
21:02:17[ h01ger] .oO( Ganneff on lsd again... )
21:02:27[ Myon] damn, the [DM] tag on debian-maintainers is relevant for the width of my own package listing
21:02:28[ h01ger] zack, kudos to the pts rss feed! great
21:02:31[ ana] no, he is on m&M
21:02:36[ ana] m&m
21:02:39[ h01ger] ana, lol
21:03:03[ KiBi] They disappeared from my luggage :(
21:03:05[ ana] wow, he brought the candies from germany
21:03:06[ zack] h01ger: /me bows
21:03:13[ ana] Ganneff: we have supermarkets here too
21:03:33[ ana] there is a lidl close to here (they are germans i thknk)
21:03:38[ KiBi] diddl
21:03:51[ dato] lidl--
21:03:55[ tiCo] Is wiki.d.o down? :-/
21:03:56 * KiBi giggles
21:04:04[ ana] and you do not need speak spanish to go to the supermarket
21:04:41[ Myon] ana: do they employ Germans there?
21:04:45[ ondrej] tiCo - seems so. I need it too.
21:06:34[ lucas] I won't give names, but I think someone broke the PTS:)
21:06:53[ lucas] ... or master
21:09:02[ lucas] ah, works again
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21:09:49[ tiCo] ondrej: Found it... thanks to googles cache ;)
21:10:05[ bzed] lucas: just blame Ganneff 
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21:21:58[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1748 /trunk/pts/www/ (web/common/pts.css xsl/pts.xsl): 
21:21:58[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: - add rendering of the "DM-Upload-Allowed: Yes" field, if any
21:21:58[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: - more generally: added a "Maintenance info" field in the general information
21:21:58[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org:  section, it will show maintenance related "tags" like DMUA and (forthcoming)
21:21:58[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org:  having part in the LowThresholdNMU list
21:22:09[ zack] KiBi: ^^^
21:22:22[ zack] KiBi: not yet re-run the page generation though, I've a local example if you want
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21:23:54[ ana] Myon: no, but just go get stuff and pay
21:28:03[ zack] lucas: do you have a link to the old "let's show lowThresholdNmu in the PTS" thread?
21:28:42[ zack] lucas: never mind, just found it
21:28:58[ lucas] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/07/msg00292.html
21:28:59[ lucas] ah :)
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21:29:51[ zack] lucas: thanks anyhow :)
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21:34:19[ Myon] lucas: I think that's overdesign
21:34:57[ Myon] PTS/DDPO could just mention that the maintainer is in the list, and say "look there for details, the maintainer might have specialy requests for individual packages"
21:35:32[ Ganneff] diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
21:35:37[ tiCo] NOW???????????
21:35:43[ ana] YES
21:35:45[ Ganneff] yes
21:35:45[ ana] dinner
21:35:46[ ana] dinner
21:35:47[ ana] dinner
21:35:48[ tiCo] *jump*
21:35:52[ KiBi] Ganneff is now ana's voice.
21:36:16 * damog watches
21:36:38 * tiCo would like to go out here with damog to have a cerveza aka coronita...
21:36:45[ bzed] hungerhungerhungerhabenhungerhungerhungerhabendurst
21:37:01[ lucas] Myon: mmh
21:37:57[ Myon] basically the exceptions are co-maintained packages for which the list doesn't really apply anyway
21:38:00 * damog nicknames tiCo as 'coronita' now
21:38:16[ Myon] s/basically/most often/
21:38:18[ h01ger] foooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
21:39:23[ lucas] the problem is to determine whether this is totally over-designed
21:39:25[ lucas] or just a bit 
21:39:35[ lucas] in the second case, maybe we can do that anyway ;)
21:40:13[ pusling] isn't it kind of late you eat in that country?  ;)
21:40:57[ damog] dinner?
21:42:17[ Myon] actually it does look machine-parsable
21:42:43[ Myon] the few exceptions (e.g. Wookey's line) could be fixed manually in the wiki
21:43:14[ Myon] everythin that's not "all packages", "except ...." or "comaintainers welcome" would be a comment that could be shown alongside
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23:18:37[ Ganneff] tiCo: want more good-tasting chocolate stuff?
23:20:37[ tiCo] NO
23:20:42[ tiCo] PLEASE NOT :(
23:20:45[ Ganneff] why? they are so good
23:21:55[ liw] Ganneff, stop teasing the children
23:22:02[ tiCo] better get me a glass of this apple stuff
23:24:59[ KiBi] I'd so love to eat M&M's right now :(
23:25:14[ dato] KiBi: me too!
23:25:14[ Myon] eat N&MUs
23:25:21[ dato] or NMs
23:25:21[ ana] hah Myon 
23:25:27 * KiBi eats himself.
23:25:41[ HE] liw: May I tease the children?
23:25:46[ dato] Ganneff's fault, obviously.
23:25:50[ HE] KiBi: Sympathico, don't do it!
23:26:04[ KiBi] HE: Yes, master.
23:26:09[ liw] HE, there's no point in you teasing the children, they can't vote for you
23:26:10[ tiCo] KiBi: better upload the pictures somewhere ^^
23:26:30[ HE] liw: I need to pay you more money to run for DPL
23:26:51[ ana] simpático
23:27:04[ tiCo] ana?
23:27:09[ ana] yes?
23:27:19[ ondrej] He, how much do you pay per vote?
23:27:28[ Ganneff] a cent
23:27:36[ tiCo] ana: what simp?tico?
23:27:36[ Myon] an M&M
23:27:39[ HE] ondrej: One Euro Cent, that's about 150 dollars
23:27:50[ Myon] lol
23:27:55[ ondrej] HE, too bad I cannot vote.
23:27:55[ ana] tiCo: friendly
23:28:08[ liw] HE, yes, you do, I have nowhere enough for a trip to the moon
23:28:10[ tiCo] ah
23:28:27[ ana] liw: ask for your boss take you in the next trip ;-.)
23:28:46[ Ganneff] ok, who took my m&ms?
23:28:59[ KiBi] tiCo: Let me gimp them tonight :)
23:29:09[ HE] liw: What good would be a DPL on the moon? We already had Overfiend
23:29:29[ liw] HE, but I want to be a *heavenly* good DPL
23:30:03[ KiBi] Un simpático DPL
23:30:13[ HE] Yeah, let's all vote for KiBi!
23:30:47[ h01ger] \o/
23:30:59 * KiBi ponders about flamming HE in the next loldebian.
23:31:18[ KiBi] All your photographs are belong to me.
23:33:30[ Ganneff] who took my m&ms?
23:34:20[ liw] Ganneff, I do not know
23:34:31[ Ganneff] someone does.
23:34:50[ ana] maybe you ate them all?
23:34:56 * pusling took them
23:35:05[ KiBi] Inconciently.
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23:36:14[ Ganneff] ana: i would know that
23:36:24[ ana] you sure?
23:37:25[ KiBi] Sein Bauch würde darauf gewußt sein, or whatever correct formulation is.
23:38:40[ bzed] KiBi: completely wrong, I don;t even know what you wanna say :D
23:39:15[ tiCo] ack :)
23:39:22[ tiCo] KiBi: ORLY???????? :)
23:41:10[ KiBi] bzed: Then I don't care about you anymore.
23:41:15[ KiBi] tiCo: YARLY
23:41:25[ KiBi] And as ana would say: TTLY
23:42:01[ bzed] KiBi: YU IS EWIL IMMER.
23:42:27[ KiBi] bzed: ana keeps on telling me, I know about that.
23:44:19[ ana] YES
23:44:24[ ana] KiBi= evil
23:44:36[ HE] ACK
23:44:45[ tiCo] FACK!
23:45:50[ ana] F.CK
23:46:58 * KiBi gets offended.
23:47:17[ KiBi] I demand reparation. Beatriz: let's fight!
23:47:25[ KiBi] I let the choice of weapons up to you.
23:47:37[ ana] uhm uhm
23:47:48[ KiBi] rhum rhum
23:47:57[ ana] Stone scissors paper?
23:49:29[ KiBi] Scissor sisters
23:49:41[ ana] let's do it real lige?
23:49:43[ ana] life*
23:50:30[ KiBi] ana: Sure.
23:51:07[ KiBi] AHAHAH!
23:52:01 * ana cries
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23:55:01 * pusling comforts ana.
23:55:34[ KiBi] pusling: wanna play scissor sisters against me?
23:55:44 * pusling cuts KiBi 
23:56:08[ KiBi] pusling: You lose. I'm a stone man.
23:56:13[ KiBi] Not an LSD one, note.
23:56:19[ KiBi] That's for Holger.
23:56:32[ pusling] #debian-drugs ?
23:57:31[ HE] Yeah, we are on LSD, BSD or something
23:58:24[ liw] you're all on chocolate, that's what you are, and that's why I'm sensible, modest, and wearing all my clothes
23:59:05[ HE] liw: While we are running around in the nude?
23:59:16[ liw] HE, I'm not saying anything about fishnets
23:59:27[ KiBi] HE: Und some Äpfel Alcohol.
23:59:27[ HE] liw: Red or ripped black ones?
23:59:45[ liw] HE, I don't know, the table is in the way
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00:00:13[ HE] liw: Wait till I stand up and flash my legs
00:01:00 * KiBi is waiting with the camera.
00:01:20 * liw waits
00:01:25[ HE] KiBi: I can see that you don't
00:01:25 * liw has two pennies next to him
00:01:50[ ana] liw: don't you have some M&Ms by chance?
00:01:57[ liw] ana, alas, no
00:02:13[ KiBi] HE: Go and flash your legs, we'll see.
00:02:42[ KiBi] liw: I'm told you had some when you were sitting on the other side of the table, hadn't you?
00:03:13[ liw] KiBi, pennies? m&ms?
00:03:49[ HE] KiBi: I flashed my legs!
00:04:23::: cek [~cek@89.130.6.136] has quit [Quit: Abandonando]
00:07:10[ KiBi] HE: You're being as evil as french cabalist
00:07:14[ KiBi] (that don't exist, but well)
00:07:42::: GyrosGeier [~richter@cl-1808.ham-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
00:07:49[ HE] KiBi: I'm not Joss!
00:08:14[ KiBi] You're jb.
00:08:38[ HE] No I'm not
00:08:44[ HE] My name is a lot longer, remember
00:08:51[ ana] M M J B
00:09:03[ KiBi] I was about to say it.
00:09:09[ Ganneff] .oO(/svsnick HE mmjb)
00:09:39[ ana] s/Marc/Manuel/
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00:12:51[ Ganneff] damn
00:12:55[ Ganneff] max nicklen here is 30 chars
00:13:02[ Ganneff] im not sure thats enough for he
00:13:08[ Ganneff] maybe we should enhance that limit
00:13:14[ HE] he@pindar:/tmp/he$ echo "Marc Manuel Johannes Brockschmidt" | wc
00:13:14[ HE]       1       4      34
00:13:34[ Ganneff] no, without spaces
00:13:41[ KiBi] Still off by one.
00:13:49[ Ganneff] ay
00:13:57[ Ganneff] bad HE 
00:13:59[ HE] echo adds \n at the end of the line...
00:14:11[ Ganneff] so we could rename him
00:14:38[ luk] luk@station:~$ echo "Luk" | wc
00:14:38[ luk]       1       1       4
00:14:42[ tiCo] echo -n :)
00:14:48[ Ganneff] or he could type /nick ....
00:15:01[ h01ger] KiBi, can i has a loldebian pleez?
00:15:17[ KiBi] h01ger: I'll do that during the night.
00:15:18::: HE is now known as MarcManuelJohannesBrockschmidt
00:15:23[ MarcManuelJohannesBrockschmidt] Ganneff: Happy now?
00:15:27[ Ganneff] na bitte.
00:15:28::: MarcManuelJohannesBrockschmidt is now known as HE
00:15:29[ tiCo] and I want to see my redhat^Whead
00:15:41[ ana] HAHA
00:15:41[ KiBi] tiCo: Are you Holger?
00:16:06[ tiCo] KiBi: Ehm? Why?
00:16:15[ h01ger] HE, /nick MMJB?
00:16:17[ KiBi] tiCo: Read hea^Whair? :)
00:16:22[ ana] the debian developer formerly known as Marc
00:16:29[ tiCo] No no....
00:16:32[ KiBi] Mark(s)?
00:16:53[ ana] KiBi: haha, that is like some of his NMs call him =)
00:17:07[ KiBi] Evil French NMs I guess.
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00:18:17[ tiCo] Someone else wants to go to a bar? Beber un cerveza espanol :D
00:18:31[ pusling] tiCo: you need to be 25 to go on bars in spain
00:19:02[ tiCo] pusling: Crap :P
00:19:04[ dato] pusling: er, not true
00:19:13[ pusling] ;)
00:19:25[ KiBi] pusling: :)
00:23:31[ liw] I guess we have breakfast at 9:30 again?
00:25:44[ dato] liw, sounds good
00:26:19[ KiBi] On which $TZ ?
00:26:46[ dato] on the appropriate one :)
00:26:47[ liw] preferably Merida time zone (I had the alarm clock in Finnish time this morning...)
00:27:00[ pusling] Europe/KiBi
00:27:21[ KiBi] KiBi: there's no associated TZ.
00:28:09[ bzed] KiBi: keep talking to yourself please, less EVIL.
00:28:36[ HE] KiBi: Stop yawning, that makes you look nice
00:28:49[ KiBi] HE: sympatico
00:30:08[ tiCo] sympa_tiCo_ :P
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00:30:24[ zack] zack@aquarium:~$ wget http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu?action=raw
00:30:24[ zack] --00:28:53--  http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu?action=raw
00:30:24[ zack]            => `LowThresholdNmu?action=raw'
00:30:24[ zack] Resolving wiki.debian.org... 140.211.166.43
00:30:24[ zack] Connecting to wiki.debian.org|140.211.166.43|:80... connected.
00:30:25[ zack] HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
00:30:25[ zack] 00:28:54 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
00:30:27[ zack] zack@aquarium:~$ curl http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu?action=raw
00:30:27[ zack] You are not allowed to access this!
00:30:29[ zack] zack@aquarium:~$ 
00:30:32[ zack] grrrrrr, I would need to fake the user-agent
00:31:03 * KiBi slaps zack with paste.debian.net.
00:31:23[ KiBi] wget --i-has-no-robots
00:32:49[ zack] KiBi: yup, sorry
00:34:47[ KiBi] zack: --user-agent foobar
00:37:30[ zack] -U pts
00:37:52[ zack] lucas: I've a list of emails extracted from the patch, if you want to check ... they seems good to me
00:39:07[ h01ger] oh, HE got a bit of sanity back
00:39:54[ lucas] can you put it somewhere I get fetch from?
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00:40:47[ godog] lucas: I was thinking about integrating last upload date as a metric in bapase, do you have the data already?
00:41:07[ lucas] zack: can you put it somewhere I get fetch from?
00:41:21[ lucas] godog: no, you have to parse /org/ftp.debian.org/queue/done/
00:41:33[ godog] lucas: or projectb, I'll see thanks
00:41:45[ lucas] godog: it's not in projectb
00:42:10[ lucas] godog: only the uploads that are still in a suite are in projectb
00:42:56[ zack] lucas: http://fiton.bononia.it/~zack/stalla/low_nmu_emails.txt
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00:44:57[ lucas] zack: if there are several matches on the same line, you have to get them all
00:45:06[ zack] right
00:45:10[ Ganneff] tiCo: now.
00:48:52[ godog] lucas: indeed but those not in a suite are interesting?
00:49:41[ zack] lucas: new list at the same URL as before
00:49:50[ zack] grown to 193 emails
00:50:16[ zack] (no duplicates, just checked)
00:51:38[ zack] popcon data aren't available in mole?
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09:58:01 * tiCo waves good morning
09:58:04[ tiCo] hi kmap :D
09:58:38[ kmap] tiCo: Hi!
09:58:46[ tiCo] How are you kmap?
09:58:50[ kmap] tiCo: Hope you are having a nice time in Merida.
09:59:04[ kmap] tiCo: Perfect. Just got over with my last exam... taking a brief break!
09:59:16[ tiCo] Oh nice, everything went well?
09:59:22[ tiCo] And yes - I have a good time here :)
09:59:27[ kmap] Yes. This leaves me only with project work.
09:59:35[ kmap] And some time for Debian, hopefully...
09:59:37[ kmap] :-)
10:00:13[ tiCo] Does this mean that I have to sponsor something for you kmap? :)
10:00:37[ kmap] tiCo: No. I meant other tasks. Like checkingif I can see some easy RC bug. etc.
10:01:00[ kmap] But beware. I may bug you any moment! :-p
10:01:20[ tiCo] I heard it from luk :)
10:01:30[ kmap] Oh, OK.
10:01:51[ kmap] Anyway, some checking on my categorization idea of piuparts failures is pending on his side.
10:01:54::: liw [~liw@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian-qa
10:02:10[ kmap] Once he suggets things, I could probably dig more into the piuparts ersults.
10:03:05[ tiCo] And liw plans to rewrite piuparts from scratch :)
10:03:25[ liw] yes, I do
10:03:27[ kmap] Ah. Interesting...
10:03:51 * kmap hasn't seen the source. _yet_ (though it may be a loong time till that happens :-)
10:04:20 * pusling has a  locally patched piuparts to actually make his packages pass ...
10:04:35[ kmap] pusling: Call it Kiuparts?
10:04:42[ pusling] heh.
10:04:46[ pusling] not kde related though ;)
10:04:59[ kmap] Well, most of the packages it checks are. :-)
10:05:06[ abi] lets write some kde frontend for it then :)
10:05:09[ liw] I want modularity (plugins) and reliability ("fail" should be a candidate for automatic bug filing)
10:05:24[ liw] pusling, what changes have you made? can you send a patch to the piuparts maintainer mailing list?
10:05:32[ pusling] liw: I hacked away a test.
10:05:37[ liw] pusling, which test?
10:05:51[ ana] nah, pusling does not know hwo to code
10:06:00[ pusling] liw: the "fail if there is broken symlinks installed by the package"
10:06:19[ pusling] ana: and especially not python
10:06:20[ kmap] And if lucas is listening, most of the 2007-08-31 piuparts results' C-D packages have failed due to mirror missing files! :-D
10:06:21[ liw] pusling, I've fixed that in svn bit a go
10:06:30[ liw] I should make a new release, I guess
10:06:34 * lucas is
10:06:42[ kmap] lucas: Hi! :-)
10:07:01[ kmap] lucas: Just that many piuparts failures between C to D happened beause theupgrade step failed
10:07:09[ kmap] As many packages were missing on the mirror
10:07:20[ lucas] can you give me an example of missing file?
10:07:25[ pusling] liw: http://paste.debian.net/43809 - that's my patch.
10:07:25[ liw] bad mirror (and bad piuparts for not dealing with that gracefully)
10:07:38[ kmap] lucas: Hold on
10:08:03[ kmap] http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/08/31p/corkscrew.log
10:08:07[ liw] pusling, I prefer the change that actually fixes the test :)
10:08:34[ lucas] didn't I rerun those?
10:08:36[ lucas] I don't remember
10:08:39[ kmap] :-)
10:08:41[ pusling] liw: okay ,)  (I have a package - not yet in debian - which does in default install create a big set of broken symlinks ;)
10:08:58[ lucas] ok, will try to do another run today...
10:08:59[ kmap] lucas: From coq7-libs to democracyplayer
10:09:03[ lucas] (or tonight, more likely)
10:09:20[ liw] pusling, piuparts should also get per-package overrides, perhaps
10:09:36[ pusling] liw: hmm.. yeah. maybe that might be a solution
10:09:37[ lucas] per package overrides?
10:09:39[ liw] lucas, you should then use a newer piuparts -- should I upload a new version or can you take it from svn?
10:09:46[ lucas] I'll take it from svn
10:09:48[ liw] pusling, could you file a wishlist bug?
10:09:53[ liw] lucas, cool, thanks
10:10:08[ pusling] liw: about overrides `
10:10:21[ liw] pusling, yes
10:10:23[ kmap] Anyway, I've tried to categorize some piuparts faulures into "classes"
10:10:46[ kmap] If anyone is interested, try asking luk. The ideas will be useful to me to further process piuparts results
10:12:06[ liw] kmap, I'm interested in any post-processing of piuparts results that is being done (in the hope of coming up with ways to make such processing unnecessary in the long run)
10:13:01[ kmap] liw: I haven't done anything great.
10:13:13[ kmap] Just redid some of what lucas' ruby scripts did
10:13:24[ liw] ok, then I can look at the scripts
10:13:42[ kmap] liw: That is the best start.
10:14:01[ lucas] liw: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/log-analysis/parse-logs-piuparts.rb?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
10:14:11[ lucas] liw: ^ my post processing script
10:14:29[ lucas] (no rocket science)
10:14:37[ liw] lucas, aye, I have checked out the collab-qa source, I'll look at it when I have a moment of brain time
10:15:02[ kmap] liw: I wish to add a few to his categories
10:15:14[ kmap] liw: Like MySQL database connection failures etc....
10:15:34[ kmap] And the processes running errors can be categorised, though update-menus seesm the be the most commin
10:16:10[ kmap] s/commin/common
10:17:35[ Ganneff] tiCo: /nick schoco
10:18:22[ kmap] liw: And one more thing you can do is this. While reporting failure, you can detect the exact cause by carefully noting down what the error is
10:18:52[ kmap] You could generate the `file' or `process' which causes the error in the ERROR line, if you can...
10:19:01[ tiCo] Hmmm :(
10:19:06::: tiCo is now known as Shoco
10:19:16[ liw] kmap, I will, once I figure out a way, yes
10:20:11[ kmap] liw: Great! Might want to bug luk to see my mail in his inbox where I've explained my idea.
10:21:56[ lucas] I'm not 100% sure such heuristics should go in piuparts directly
10:22:20[ lucas] or maybe by marking it clearly as heuristics, only
10:22:51[ kmap] lucas: Yes, maybe. Just so that the reviewer can spot the error easily.
10:23:47[ liw] lucas, they could go in as plugins, but personally I'm mainly interested in improving things piuparts in generic ways so that heuristics become unnecessary, but we'll see if I can get there
10:23:57[ kmap] Besides, failures in piuparts aren't soooo common
10:23:57[ lucas] ok
10:24:09[ lucas] kmap: that's good ;)
10:24:22[ lucas] kmap: not that my piuparts branch makes a lot of failures non-critical
10:24:27[ lucas] s/not/note/
10:24:41[ kmap] lucas: :-). And i hope your next run produces lesser positives.
10:25:30[ lucas] you mean false positives?
10:26:16[ kmap] lucas: No. I mean positievs. It's been quite some time since 20070832
10:26:19[ kmap] s/32/31/
10:26:34[ kmap] So, maybe maintainers have fixed their packages to give fwere errors.
10:27:24[ lucas] when no bugs are reported, no bugs are fixed, usually
10:27:32[ lucas] maitnainers don't use piuparts, generally
10:27:55[ ana] no
10:27:56[ kmap] True
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10:31:16[ zack] lucas: the pts patch for showing lowthresholdnmu is ready, if you confirm that the last list I've sent you is fine I'll commit and trigger page regeneration
10:31:32[ lucas] it's basically fine, yes
10:31:49[ zack] lucas: ack
10:31:56[ lucas] just fixing some links on the page, but you can apply it
10:33:13[ liw] lucas, is your branhc public somewhere? or can you e-mail me the diff?
10:33:17[ HE] I can stop fixing lintian bugs now: Committed revision 1000.
10:34:02[ liw] HE, slacker
10:34:19[ liw] HE, I'm voting you below NOTA until you've committed 1024 times
10:34:22[ Ganneff] HE: commit rev 2000 during this meeting
10:34:26[ Ganneff] and you get a chocolate for free
10:34:31[ Ganneff] which you can hand Shoco 
10:35:34[ lucas] liw: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-qa/debcluster/configs/?rev=0&sc=0 , see piuparts*
10:35:44[ lucas] liw: not sure of the exact status of this though
10:35:52[ liw] lucas, ack
10:36:02[ lucas] I haven't looked at it since months ago
10:39:35[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1750 /trunk/pts/www/ (4 files in 3 dirs): - added support to show low threshold NMU tags associated to package pages
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10:43:24[ KiBi] o< o< o<
10:44:25[ dato] morning guys
10:44:51[ KiBi] dato: Are you calling ana a guy?
10:45:20[ ana] guy is no really gender related anymore
10:45:30[ dato] at least in plural
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10:47:27 * KiBi notes and gets back to writing “guys” instead of “folks”. :)
10:48:41[ lucas] at least in spanish
10:48:41[ lucas] :)
10:49:07[ ana] pusling: 453628 -> -N ?
10:49:33 * ana likes "folks"
10:54:48[ tarzeau] Myon: could we possibly do that data file that i asked you about a few weeks ago? i mean just put the data that you have, i'll take care of the missing one
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10:59:35[ HE] KiBi: Yay, you annoyed azeem
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11:00:46[ KiBi] HE: I read that, yeah.
11:01:03[ Ganneff] stuff
11:01:09[ KiBi] “what you are working on”
11:01:13[ Shoco] mario@helena:~/src/svn.debian.org/qa/trunk/mia$ cat mia-tracker | wc -l
11:01:13[ Shoco] 143
11:01:15[ Shoco] :)
11:01:18 * Ganneff works on stuff
11:01:36[ liw] my plan for today is to set up piuparts master/slave so that the slave runs in a qemu instance
11:01:56[ liw] so that the slave does not need root access and is not a danger to the host system
11:02:02 * bzed wants more schokolade for Shoco 
11:02:16[ zack] zack's plans: scripts for a couple of wish-list mass-bug filings (one for old Homepage fields, the other for missing VCS info), draft cgi for XML-RPC access to the PTS
11:02:38[ lucas] [status] works on parsing O/ITA bugs to generate a list of (package, date it was orphaned), so we can sort the orphaned packages by age. Plans to work on an archive piuparts run, and on improving the tools I presented yesterday
11:03:08[ liw] I would also like to discuss with holger, ana, and lucas (if he has time) in a bit more detail what I envision for piuparts in the near future
11:03:28[ HE] I'm going on with fixing lintian bugs and will try to do infrastructure work on debian-admin-stuff (like userdir-ldap). I'm also planning to move to buildd stuff (like on the wiki page) soonish
11:03:29[ lucas] liw: I have
11:03:48[ ana] liw: cool, we can go to the hall in the sofas (less noise)
11:03:58[ ana] h01ger: when do you have time?
11:04:33[ h01ger] liw, lucas, ana: 12 am?!
11:04:36[ godog] I am planning on extracting infos from queue/done on last upload so to add metrics to bapase (and eventually get last maintainer upload date for MIA)
11:04:49[ h01ger] noon
11:04:49[ Shoco] [status] Still working on the script which tracks activity from the MIA-team and send automatically notifications if someone needs tracking, luk will put it to the SVN later since I don't have access
11:04:52[ tarzeau] godog: oh i have that already?
11:04:52[ ana] h01ger: ok
11:04:55[ liw] h01ger, ana, lucas: noon is fine with me
11:05:02[ tarzeau] godog: the last updload dates are done from thuriaux scripts, no?
11:05:19[ godog] tarzeau: hah, great, is that accessible somewhere?
11:05:40[ tarzeau] godog: http://krum.ethz.ch/mia/scripts.tar.gz i only need this (so i only create this): http://krum.ethz.ch/mia/scripts/results/mia.html
11:06:02[ tarzeau] godog: i use the last upload at http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/
11:07:16[ godog] tarzeau: will have a look, thanks
11:07:55[ tarzeau] godog: here's the original place: http://wagner-xen1.debian.org/~thuriaux-guest/
11:08:28[ ana] liw: i'm doing some kde stuff, but we can talk in #piuparts if you want help qith the qemu stuff, testing etc, i did look at it, but i have big problems with qemu in amd64
11:08:56[ liw] ana, ack
11:09:00 * liw had forgotten about #piupars
11:09:02[ pusling] w00t! ana doing kde-stuff
11:09:07[ KiBi] #piulars
11:09:13[ lucas] 12 am? don't you mean 12pm? :)
11:09:38[ Ganneff] whats then?
11:09:48[ liw] let's just stop using 12-hour clocks and stick to 24-hour ones
11:09:58[ dato] +1
11:10:48[ godog] let's use internet time @465
11:11:28[ liw] I don't like Swatch
11:13:39 * lucas thinks some people didn't write any status update. too bad for them, no food!
11:13:41[ KiBi] Time reference should be dinstall runs.
11:14:06 * lucas is surrounded by to-be-hungry people
11:14:09[ ana] pusling: :-P
11:14:20[ ana] pusling: somebody has to add the dots in the changelogs :-P
11:14:25[ pusling] yeah.
11:14:42[ pusling] but you are soon running out of your quota of dots
11:14:42[ ana] nah
11:14:45[ ana] heh
11:16:42[ Goneri] I am planning to continue to work on svnbuildstat build agent
11:17:02[ liw] [status] pushing my suggestion for the new name for svnbuildstat
11:17:46[ liw] buildschnitzel? panzerbuilder?
11:18:03[ pusling] panzerbuilder.
11:18:16[ pusling] panzerschnitzel.
11:19:04[ ondrej] plan for today: I am creating a patch to pbuilder to kill the build if the memory or disk space goes below certain level, then fixing python-numpy package and creating cython package for Debian
11:19:46[ pusling] cython? python-bindings for c ?
11:19:58[ cek] dato, thanks for blogging :)
11:20:28[ dato] cek: are you cesar?
11:20:34[ cek] yeah
11:20:37[ dato] ok :)
11:22:11[ ondrej] pusling: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-wnpp@lists.debian.org/msg71688.html
11:22:37[ HE] liw: Schnitzelpanzer!
11:22:51[ liw] HE, you're still drunk?
11:23:07[ HE] liw: Nope. BUt the correct term is "not yet" :-P
11:23:19[ ana] if i have to install that, i'm happy i have bash-completion
11:23:25[ Shoco] Apfelkatze!
11:23:33[ dato] let me guess
11:23:39[ dato] Shoco is chocolate or something in German?
11:23:51[ Shoco] dato: Schokolae :)
11:23:54[ Shoco] Schokolade
11:23:57 * ana lears german
11:24:08[ ana] Schokolade, gut
11:24:10[ HE] dato: Yeah, it sounds a lot like the Schokolade (which is the german term)
11:24:11[ Shoco] ana: Rauchen ist toedlich
11:24:50[ Shoco] ana: Da me un beso de tornillo
11:24:52[ Shoco] :P
11:25:21[ Ganneff] now translate
11:25:27[ ana] Ganneff: no :D
11:25:28[ Ganneff] yes
11:25:48[ Shoco] == Give me a french kiss
11:26:07[ ana] Shoco: sorry, i'm not french
11:26:14[ Shoco] I know ;)
11:26:18[ dato] Shoco: we also say "beso con lengua"
11:26:29[ ana] tongued kiss, yep
11:26:29[ dato] (kiss with tongue, literally)
11:26:55[ pusling] lengua == tounge ?  (language .. ;)
11:27:07[ HE] Shoco: We do have french people around...
11:27:11[ ana] right
11:27:15 * Shoco waves to KiBi
11:27:16[ dato] HE: heh
11:27:18 * KiBi waves back.
11:27:25[ ana] please, any french, kiss Shoco 
11:27:29[ HE] KiBi: Interested?
11:27:31[ KiBi] HE: Why oh why did you say that?
11:27:38 * KiBi was trying to stay hidden…
11:27:56[ dato] .oO(ok, if this is going where it's going at *11* am, imagine 11pm...)
11:28:05[ Ganneff] b etter not
11:28:07[ HE] dato: At 11pm, we are going to bed...
11:28:14[ KiBi] be(tt)er not
11:28:17[ dato] HE: right, after french kisses...
11:28:18[ liw] . o O (http://wiki.debian.org/KissAFrench)
11:28:22[ Ganneff] kissing?
11:28:36[ HE] liw: Is that like HugAFinn, but easier?
11:28:56[ liw] HE, you tell me, after you write it
11:29:16[ Shoco] wiki.d.o/WearASkirtAndWinDPLElection
11:29:22[ HE] liw: Oh, the rules are easy. 1 point for a kiss, 2 points for a french kiss with a french
11:29:43[ HE] liw: Oh, and there's a bonus for wearing a skirt
11:29:48[ KiBi] You can get even more points, but that's not easy to authenticate.
11:29:49[ lucas] #REDIRECT DebianQAExtremadura2007
11:29:54[ lucas] oops wrong window :P
11:29:56[ liw] HE, do kilts count as skirts?
11:29:56[ ana] Ganneff: now you know what it is, do you want a demo?
11:29:59[ Shoco] :P
11:30:05[ KiBi] Redirect lucas #onamorefunnychannel.
11:30:15 * h01ger goes to get wine
11:30:21[ dato] Debian Kiss QA.
11:30:36[ pusling] haha. quality assurance in debian kisses.
11:30:37[ Shoco] fumar puede matar -> I'm out to smoke with h01ger :P
11:30:48[ ana] Shoco: kiss him!
11:31:00[ bzed] Shoco: have fun with the french kisses
11:31:05[ pusling] 11:29 < Shoco> fumar puede matar -> I'm out to smoke h01ger
11:31:12[ KiBi] Rauchen ist tödlich, das war schon gesagt.
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11:31:46[ cek] Rauchen ist sehr gut :)
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11:31:50[ bzed] silence now
11:31:55[ KiBi] Are cigar-stuffs legal in this country?
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11:32:00[ bzed] there's meetgeyer in here now
11:32:05[ bzed] *meat
11:32:08[ KiBi] MeetGyrosGeier
11:32:14[ KiBi] EatGeier?
11:32:15[ Ganneff] MeatGyros
11:32:19[ bzed] MeetMeatGeyer
11:32:31[ liw]  
11:32:34[ HE] GyrosMeet?
11:32:35 * GyrosGeier feels highlighted
11:32:42[ Ganneff] really
11:32:44[ buxy] what the hell are you smoking over there ? ! :-)
11:32:53[ liw] GyrosGeier, be lucky that's all you feel in this crowd
11:32:54[ Ganneff] nothing, thats part of the problem
11:32:55[ KiBi] Holger, we already told you.
11:33:03[ bzed] buxy: 11:29 < Shoco> fumar puede matar -> I'm out to smoke h01ger
11:33:04[ HE] buxy: Shoco is smoking Holger and we are all busy french kissing
11:33:17[ KiBi] *buxy kissing Frenchies.
11:33:18[ HE] buxy: Or kissing french, whatever is easier
11:33:25[ ana] buxy: you should have came, you missed your chance to kiss ganneff
11:33:45[ bzed] ana: buxy is coming now
11:33:55 * KiBi wonders what it'll be about after some drinks.
11:33:57[ liw] and people claim that in-person meetings are unproductive
11:33:58[ HE] buxy: No details, please
11:34:13[ GyrosGeier] liw, No details, please
11:34:29[ dato] now we need an activity for italians, who seem awfully concentrated in their job.
11:34:50[ HE] dato: Start kissing italians
11:34:52[ buxy] ComplainLikeAnItalian
11:34:55[ ana] italian kiss
11:34:56[ godog] dato: should I raise an hand?
11:35:02[ KiBi] TheItalianJob
11:35:11[ bzed] TheItalianHandJob
11:35:15[ Ganneff] hrm. pizza.
11:35:17 * KiBi didn't dare.
11:35:21[ pusling] buxy: I think people at the qa meeting might be smoking same stuff someone did before uploading dpkg-dev ...
11:35:36[ godog] buxy: hearing people laughing at the same time out of nothing is even more weird
11:35:36[ dato] pusling--
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11:35:54 * liw would like to point out that he is, in fact, working hard by watching qemu
11:36:02[ KiBi] “Compiling!”
11:36:04[ HE] liw: It's compilingß
11:36:05 * ana stares at liw
11:36:11[ ana] i'm wotking at staring at liw
11:36:21 * GyrosGeier is totally productive -- besides reading this stuff, I'm also signing the autobuilt GNOME packages for ARM
11:36:36[ KiBi] GyrosGeier: Give me a key, I'll help you.
11:36:38[ Ganneff] ok. someone throw GyrosGeier out
11:36:40[ liw] GyrosGeier, while also re-writing them as KDE components?
11:36:46[ jcristau] KiBi: s/key/kiss/?
11:36:57[ GyrosGeier] liw, KDE has components?
11:37:02[ KiBi] jcristau: I'm already having kisses, a key would be better.
11:37:03[ godog] tarzeau: with that data I cannot determine the last maintainer upload of a package unless I'm missing something
11:37:09[ liw] GyrosGeier, you didn't know? that's what K stands for
11:37:18[ ana] Komponents
11:37:21[ KiBi] KissKomponents?
11:37:29[ KiBi] KissOpponents?
11:37:55 * lucas sends Kibi to a funnier channel
11:38:00[ pusling] KDE stands for KDE Desktop Environment ;)
11:38:11[ KiBi] I'm there already.
11:38:17[ ana] yes
11:38:21[ ana] annoying all the day 
11:38:23[ liw] KDE = Komponenten Deutschen Ebenholtzenpantzerwagenschnitzelwasserschokolade (mit Bananenkartoffeln)
11:38:24[ lucas] KiBi: note: s/more funny/funnier/
11:38:47[ ana] liw: i only got tthe schokolade part
11:38:52[ ana] KPart
11:38:54[ KiBi] ana: Und wasser!
11:39:05[ ondrej] und schnitzel
11:39:20[ KiBi] ondrej: Are you awake today?
11:40:30 * lucas only got the pantz part
11:40:49[ ondrej] KiBi as you can see, I still am
11:40:50 * ana sends chocolate to lucas 
11:40:50[ KiBi] *pantzer
11:40:56 * KiBi intercepts
11:41:19[ pusling] pantz erwagen
11:41:37[ pusling] that means trousers awake.
11:42:03 * KiBi takes a photograph of pusling and lulz it.
11:42:21 * pusling undresses for the photographer
11:42:31 * ana closes her eyes
11:42:32 * KiBi runs away.
11:42:37[ ana] there is stuff i do not want to see
11:42:51[ KiBi] What kind of “stuff”? :p
11:43:20 * ana kicks KiBi 
11:44:08[ KiBi] meh
11:47:15[ godog] tarzeau: like, it is missing historical data, that is
12:00:59[ liw] lucas, ana, h01ger: I'm ready for the discussion
12:05:16 * h01ger follows liw
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12:09:29[ tarzeau] godog: the latest upload?
12:09:36[ tarzeau] godog: yes you can, just keep rebuilding mia.html 
12:09:55[ tarzeau] godog: the last, you can't, unless you have the maintainer saying you "i will not upload any further packages"
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12:12:30[ HE] KiBi: #448677 now in lintian svn
12:12:45[ KiBi] The copyright one?
12:12:51[ KiBi] Ah, yes, thanks.
12:14:31[ godog] tarzeau: rebuilding how often? 
12:14:43[ godog] tarzeau: I see it grabs data from bts2ldap right?
12:17:08[ tarzeau] godog: whenever i updated the bugstats page i also update the mia.html file
12:17:25[ tarzeau] godog: i'm waiting for myon to provide data in a simpler way for me
12:17:32[ tarzeau] godog: once that's done, i think i can run it daily
12:17:45[ tarzeau] godog: for now it makes about 4 wgets per maintainer... which takes 1-2 hours
12:18:17[ tarzeau] godog: thuriaux used to run it daily i think, but for some reason it's not done anymore
12:20:32[ godog] tarzeau: mmhh okay, my intention is to look at queue/done so that would be useful to you as well?
12:21:04[ tarzeau] godog: i don't know. what's queue/done?
12:21:14[ tarzeau] godog: new queue?
12:21:21[ godog] tarzeau: no, processed uploads
12:21:35[ tarzeau] godog: if they close bugs, i can see them here: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/
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12:23:06[ HE] luk,dato,lucas: I was thinking about having a discussion about buildd/build log problem detection after lunch, what do you think?
12:24:35[ dato] HE: I'd be happy to be there
12:24:47[ KiBi] HE: /me interested too.
12:25:10[ KiBi] HE: I actually have a tiny too fetch & compare build logs, which might be a related topic.
12:25:40[ KiBi] Like diffing to find arch-specific troubles (broken libtool anyone?), spotting toolchain problems, etc.
12:26:17[ luk] HE: sure
12:28:45 * Goneri will join the discution too
12:31:07[ godog] so what's missing from the schedule? I would like to have the QA data map thingie
12:31:09[ luk] dato: bless you
12:31:43[ dato] luk: thx!
12:32:12[ KiBi] salud
12:32:37[ ana] salut
12:35:56 * KiBi mima a ana.
12:47:25[ Ganneff] btw, the mirror is available via nfs (again)
12:48:55[ bzed] PRINTER FROM WLAN: socket://172.16.1.128:9100 - use this ppd: http://germany.oki.com/binaryData/4849/Ok5300u1.ppd  ---> or try to use the printer shared via cups on 172.16.1.128, no clue if it works, though.
12:49:29[ bzed] PRINTER FROM WIRED LAN: s/172.16.1.128/192.168.10.1/
12:50:01[ Ganneff] there is a wired lan?
12:50:21[ godog] that's weird
12:50:31[ lucas] HE: after lunch?!!
12:50:32[ Ganneff] bzed: can you add it to a wiki page and point to it via /topic?
12:50:50[ lucas] HE: not sure you will be able to think after lunch
12:50:55[ lucas] HE: no wine for you then
12:51:05[ lucas] we could do it do
12:51:07[ lucas] so I don't have to move
12:51:10 * lucas lazy
12:51:15[ HE] lucas: Blah
12:51:22[ KiBi] Lazy Frenchy lucas
12:51:37[ KiBi] HE: Look.
12:51:43[ KiBi] ana: Please slap lucas for me.
12:51:53[ ana] KiBi: sure!
12:51:55[ dato] with a trout? </madduck>
12:52:05[ KiBi] maddato
12:52:18[ dato] no!, I'm very cabal </spanish>
12:52:22[ KiBi] h01ger: can i has sticker?
12:52:31[ KiBi] caballero
12:52:35[ lucas] I'm staying there anyway.
12:52:45[ dato] KiBi: nah, it's more like "reasonable"
12:52:49[ KiBi] Cool, much more place around here.
12:54:07[ bzed] <HE> I have nothing to do, but squashing RC bugs looks too hard. | When you have QA news, please add them http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Reports/Draft | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007 || Mirror: 172.16.1.130:/mirror (nfs) || printer: http://paste.debian.net/43813
12:54:12::: bzed changed the topic of #debian-qa to: <HE> I have nothing to do, but squashing RC bugs looks too hard. | When you have QA news, please add them http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Reports/Draft | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007 || Mirror: 172.16.1.130:/mirror (nfs) || printer: http://paste.debian.net/43813
12:54:30 * KiBi squashes HE.
12:54:33[ ana] bzed: paste.d.n is a wiki?
12:54:40[ bzed] ana: no
12:54:43[ lucas] please print your fingerprints if you need to print them
12:54:45[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1751 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: remove useless spaces from the lownmu tag title
12:54:49[ ana] mmmm, Ganneff is lagged
12:54:52[ ana] or i'm
12:54:56[ Ganneff] i? no. why
12:54:59[ lucas] so we can improve our MSD
12:55:09[ ana] when i write something it takes some time to be in your computer
12:55:10[ KiBi] lucas: I don't really need being signed, if you see what I mean ;:)
12:55:15[ bzed] ana: feel free to create a howto in a wiki if that's not enough :P
12:55:21[ h01ger] KiBi, sure. but unfortunatly not yet. that said, i have one small swirl with me
12:55:24[ ana] but when you write something it is in my computer in the same mom,ent
12:55:28[ KiBi] ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
12:55:32[ KiBi] +lger
12:55:36[ h01ger] can i has a time for lunch pleez? 14oo?
12:55:38[ Ganneff] i dont have lag (i would see it in my statusbar if i had)
12:55:44[ Ganneff] luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunch
12:56:08[ dato] Ganneff: 'fraid not.
12:56:10[ KiBi] Lunch is lagging.
12:56:18 * dato wonders what time lunch will be in dc9.
12:57:33[ ana] dato: spanish time
12:57:44[ dato] ana: they'll rebel I'm sure.
12:57:46[ Ganneff] german time, of course...
12:57:50[ Ganneff] whatdoyouthink
12:58:43[ pusling] the problem is just that spain is having the wrong timezone. .. ;)
12:59:42[ h01ger] pusling, the timezone is perfect. germany should move -1
12:59:52[ h01ger] (and .dk to for that matter)
12:59:56[ pusling] heh.
13:00:38[ lucas] KiBi: my MSD is lower than yours
13:00:46[ lucas] KiBi: you need key-signing
13:01:01[ ana] spain is in Europe/KiBi TZ
13:01:48[ liw] h01ger, no, Germany should be -1, Denmark should be -2, and Norway should be +3
13:02:00[ liw] that way they are all on average UTC
13:03:18[ KiBi] h01ger: THANK YOU!
13:03:36[ ana] msd ranking  486 \o/
13:03:43[ Ganneff] whole world should be utc
13:03:54[ KiBi] lucas: Want to play “mine is bigger than yours”? Not interested.
13:03:57[ Ganneff] drop timezones
13:04:14[ liw] since Finland is +2, England should compensate by being -2, actually
13:04:36[ liw] Ganneff, yeah, we should drop timezones and dst
13:04:47[ ana] +1 to drop DST
13:05:06[ dato] so it becomes +0
13:05:15[ liw] anyone opposed to dropping DST?
13:05:17[ liw] no?
13:05:19[ liw] ok, it's decided
13:05:21[ Ganneff] no
13:05:36[ Ganneff] we should do it now and here aand remove all tz related thigns from debian, as a qa thing
13:05:52[ dato] top feature for Lenny
13:05:57[ liw] I'll inform the EU, the UN, and the Federated Alliance of Biped Infested Planets
13:06:04[ ana] and we'll make slashdot \\\o///
13:06:33[ dato] this ana has super arm powers
13:07:27[ KiBi] ana is arm wb admin? :)
13:07:44 * ana ponders
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13:09:02[ liw] . o O (arm needs a new buildd)
13:09:33[ KiBi] liw: You're not being productive.
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13:11:03[ liw] KiBi, sure I am, I'm still watching qemu
13:11:16[ KiBi] \o_ xkcd
13:11:17[ liw] and answering debconf questions
13:11:19[ ana] that is likw watching TV?
13:11:26[ liw] ana, yes, but more fun
13:11:26[ KiBi] liwlike
13:14:35[ ana] watch ganneff processing NEW is too like watch TV
13:14:55 * Shoco also wants to see it :(
13:15:11[ ana] Shoco: switch with HE
13:15:22[ lucas] or switch the beamer on
13:15:29[ lucas] everybody want to see Ganneff !
13:15:31[ lucas] (or not)
13:15:51[ ana] lucas: is it possible actually do not seee ganneff?
13:17:15[ ana] ok, he did read IRC and ignores us, good
13:18:51[ ana] ooh, Ganneff is sending a rejecttion :-(
13:18:58[ bzed] ana: to you?
13:19:03[ ana] dunno
13:19:15[ ana] i can see what he is doing, but i can not read his screen
13:20:17[ Ganneff] lunchlunchlunch?
13:20:27[ ana] look to the table
13:20:36[ ana] they are making the table for lunch
13:20:44[ Ganneff] laaaaaaaaaaate
13:21:08 * ana pats Ganneff 
13:22:10[ ana] I pass of configure the printer, can somebody print my gpg keys? /me will point to a pdf
13:23:19[ h01ger] can i print with cups or with lpr -Phostname?
13:23:24[ h01ger] or both? :)
13:26:11[ ana] bzed: http://ekaia.org/tmp/key.pdf
13:27:48[ h01ger] Ganneff, dankscheen
13:28:07[ Shoco] Hmmmm
13:28:38[ Shoco] When I add pipes to an aliases file... Is it possible to have to of those | lines?
13:28:46 * godog will happily avoid to configure the printer if someone wants to print the key at http://people.debian.org/~filippo/fg_key.ps
13:29:03[ Shoco] Hmmm ok no, its a procmailrc :)
13:29:03[ godog] I can offer sweeties in return
13:29:29[ dato] Shoco: mm, I'm quite shoure a compound pipeline will work in procmail
13:29:57[ dato] ; works, eg.
13:30:21[ Shoco] dato: http://paste.debian.net/43817
13:30:24[ Shoco] I mean like that :)
13:31:38[ dato] Shoco: no, but you have ":0 a"
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13:34:35[ kobold] how am I supposed to write a debian watch file for a software which is realeased on launchpad (let's pick-up for example, ehm, plone)?
13:34:58[ tarzeau] kobold: wasn't there some autogenerated watch files somewhere?
13:35:10[ ana] COMPUTERS DOWN. LUNCH TIME
13:35:11[ ana] COMPUTERS DOWN. LUNCH TIME
13:35:20[ kobold] tarzeau: I don't know, that is why I asked for it. :-)
13:35:31[ Ganneff] LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
13:35:38[ Ganneff] (ana just cant shout)
13:36:45[ jcristau] someone give Ganneff some milk
13:49:28[ Myon] tarzeau: please open a bug with a list of which stuff you want
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14:16:30[ tarzeau] Myon: ok, can you tell me against which pkg?
14:20:08[ Myon] qa.debian.org
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14:41:45[ tarzeau] Myon: sent
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15:03:49[ lucas] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007/Report <= please fill it ;)
15:04:20 * lucas tried the "create an empty wiki page and wait until it's magically filled" strategy
15:04:41[ lucas] s/tried/tries/ <= haven't given up yet
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15:09:57[ h01ger] lucas, i've added some stuff :)
15:10:03[ h01ger] (mostly more placeholders though :)
15:10:49[ liw] keysigning time, it seems
15:11:34[ lucas] we will probably keysign tomorrow
15:11:43[ lucas] so amaya gets a chance to participate
15:11:52[ liw] good point
15:12:11[ lucas] this is an private, illegal key signing party
15:12:14[ amaya] lucas: no need to wait for me, but it would be super nice :)
15:12:17[ lucas] if you join, beware!
15:12:26[ h01ger] illegal keysigning party????????!
15:12:28 * h01ger joins
15:12:29[ amaya] I will arrive tonite at 22:00pm
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15:13:00[ godog] amaya: in time for dinner I guess
15:16:34 * KiBi patpats zack and  20071130140511.GA11853@takhisis.invalid
15:16:54[ lucas] ana is still keysigning. there will be consequences.
15:16:58[ zack] KiBi: :), I saw your post too late ...
15:17:53[ KiBi] zack: It was in the pipe, then got to get back for the dessert ;)
15:18:08[ zack] :)
15:18:31[ h01ger] liw: http://www.ccc.de/hackerethics?language=en
15:19:13[ liw] h01ger, gracias
15:24:35 * ana shouts silently at Ganneff 
15:31:13[ amaya] godog: maybe not quite
15:32:16[ ana] amaya: :* 
15:33:10[ amaya] ana: :*
15:33:13[ amaya] dato: :*
15:33:16[ amaya] lucas: :*
15:33:19[ amaya] liw: *
15:33:26[ amaya] w/who
15:33:29[ amaya] oops
15:33:29[ liw] amaya :)
15:33:30[ amaya] lol
15:33:31[ luk] amaya: :*
15:33:43[ amaya] luk: :*
15:34:04[ amaya] paravoid: :*
15:34:11 * Shoco also wants to sign keys :(
15:34:15 * amaya knuddelt Ganneff 
15:34:23[ amaya] hihi
15:34:25[ KiBi] dato: Re: <20071130141049.GA1387@chistera.yi.org>, see my mail some minutes before.
15:34:29 * KiBi shakes amaya.
15:34:37[ dato] KiBi: yeah, I saw it afterwards.
15:34:48[ KiBi] You're so zacky :)
15:34:58[ dato] KiBi: I wasn't saying I agreed with the practice, only answering zack :)
15:35:07[ zack] :-P
15:35:07[ KiBi] ;)
15:35:08[ ana] amaya: ganneff has learned today to give french kisses
15:35:27[ KiBi] He needs more practice, though.
15:35:30[ dato] and tiCo knows to ask for them, in Spanish.
15:35:32[ cek] amaya, pa mi no hay besos, ¿o que?
15:35:35[ HE] Yeah. amaya, could your help?
15:35:35[ KiBi] Looking forward to meeting you again.
15:35:49[ KiBi] HE: -EGRAMMAR?
15:35:56 * Shoco already learned it at debconf
15:35:59[ dato] -EHEHEH
15:36:04[ HE] KiBi: -r
15:36:08 * ana kicks the grammarpedia at KiBi 
15:36:09[ KiBi] -EGRAMMA?
15:36:17[ ana] Shoco: who did you kiss at debconf?
15:36:18[ dato] -EGRANMA
15:36:27[ KiBi] luk ftw
15:36:29[ Shoco] No one.... I meant asking :P
15:36:51[ ana] Shoco: you sure? :-P
15:36:57 * lucas never thought of -ERLANG
15:36:59[ HE] ana: He's going to kill us now
15:37:01[ Shoco] No not sure... But I guess so
15:37:07[ ana] hah
15:37:12[ Ganneff] actually - i should, yes
15:37:31[ ana] HE: why? we are nice
15:38:13[ Ganneff] nope
15:40:15 * HE hides from IRC and will try to be more productive
15:40:19[ Ganneff] haha
15:40:24[ KiBi] s/ more//
15:40:33 * ana ist branv und liebe
15:40:45[ h01ger] ITYM brav und lieb :)
15:40:51[ h01ger] HE, ping
15:40:59[ KiBi] HE: Stop teasing him :)
15:41:06[ KiBi] s/HE/ho1ger/, even.
15:41:12[ ana] HE: almost!
15:41:18[ KiBi] Or whatever lolly spelling you chose.
15:41:19[ ana] eer
15:41:21[ ana] HE: almsot!
15:41:22[ KiBi] +b
15:41:23[ ana] ARG
15:41:28[ ana] HE: leave the channel pelase :P
15:41:28[ KiBi] ana: You're drunk!
15:41:32[ ana] h01ger: almost
15:41:33[ KiBi] ana: RUN FOR DPL!¡!
15:41:36[ ana] KiBi: drank too much water
15:46:20[ ana] cek: no google results for markcracy, run blog it =)
15:46:27[ ana] s/run/fast/
15:46:49[ liw] half the table is using headphones...
15:47:51 * amaya wonders what is this kissing about
15:48:04[ KiBi] French kissing.
15:48:11[ KiBi] Or kissing Frenchies, depends on you.
15:48:47[ liw] amaya, lots and lots of bad joke flying around here (be warned)
15:48:55[ cek] lol, ana, I will :)
15:49:06[ cek] just one minute :)
15:49:38[ liw] 7msg amaya also you should know that HE will be my and Holger's fake DPL candidate: HE will take care of all the baby-kissing and Ganneff-hugging, while Holger and I sit in the background and make all the decisions
15:50:03[ h01ger] liw!
15:50:09[ h01ger] you spoiled it!
15:50:14[ liw] oops
15:50:14[ ana] Machiavellianism
15:50:28[ liw] le grande Macchiavellico, si!
15:51:48[ cek] ana, you can also blog it. I am not in planet.debian.org, I am only in planeta.debian.net
15:52:07[ cek] tell it was me, I will manage :P
15:52:22[ ana] cek: i was thincking in your blogging it in and i blogginf and linking you in planet :)
15:52:30[ ana] you deserve the credit :)
15:52:55[ cek] ana, lol, ok, but I will have to deal with that when he comes to Cáceres :)
15:53:11[ liw] cek, why are you not on planet.debian.org?
15:53:22[ ana] cek: as you wish
15:53:35[ ana] why we are talking by IRC when i can shout at you from here? <-- cek
15:57:39[ ana] why it is so easy to make jokes abotu Ganneff ?
15:57:55[ h01ger] because its Ganneff?
15:58:28[ cek] ana, I am not on planet.debian.org because I only write in Spanish :)
15:58:39[ ana] h01ger: ITYM it's? :P
15:58:39[ dato] liw: ^
15:58:46[ ana] liw: 15:57  <cek> ana, I am not on planet.debian.org because I only write in Spanish :)
15:58:57[ ana] s/spanish/extemeño/ :P
15:59:01[ liw] ana, cek: ah, ok, good reason
15:59:07[ cek] and probably because I have nothing interesting to say :)
15:59:19[ KiBi] You're so shy.
15:59:32[ KiBi] Even Clint isn't scared by blogging non-sense.
15:59:49[ ana] cek: you can tell us about linex udpates, we have people already blogging about ubuntu so...
16:00:20[ liw] I should fix my blog so I can write again, but I'm low on motivation
16:00:23[ KiBi] Is Linux a derivative of ubuntu?
16:00:25[ cek] ana, ok :) Who should I ping?
16:00:31 * KiBi loves to tease ana.
16:00:36[ ana] cek: any DD here
16:00:43 * ana loves to tease KiBi back
16:01:22[ cek] ana, ok, I will create a new category for that so that the RSS you fetch is only in English
16:01:32[ KiBi] \o_
16:01:32[ ana] cek: yes please
16:02:53[ ana] cek: btw, your blog layout is broken
16:03:57[ h01ger] cek, are you on planeta?
16:04:23[ h01ger] KiBi, not yet, but it soon will be
16:04:25[ cek] yes, I am
16:04:35[ HE] Hmmm, anyone here suggestions for patch-system related lintian checks?
16:04:54[ liw] ana, the reason it's easy to make jokes about Ganneff is that he's big, he's cuddly, he's German, and he doesn't get his revenge; making jokes about, say, international arms dealers, would be a bad idea
16:05:03[ KiBi] HE: .pc left behind?
16:05:05[ liw] HE, apart from "uses pach system"?
16:05:13[ h01ger] cek, ah/oh
16:05:15[ KiBi] HE: Or debian/patched?
16:05:19[ h01ger] HE, concentrate!
16:05:53[ liw] KiBi, are those files often included in the source package? or would one have to re-build the package to find them?
16:06:06[ HE] I'm working on a new lintian check which will basically fix #437959, but also provide infrastructure for other things
16:06:37[ cek] ana, it is broken only in Konqueror :D
16:06:42[ KiBi] liw: They might be left behind in the source package, in case the dpatch/quilt include is not used, or misused.
16:06:48[ cek] but I will fix it :)
16:07:02[ ana] cek: aka the best browser ever
16:07:09[ dato] my layout used to be broken in konqueror, and *I* use konqueror
16:07:22[ ana] dato: you even used to maintain konqueror
16:07:29[ dato] go figure
16:07:30[ HE] liw: That doesn't count as a packaging bug (and usually, I consider heavy patching and not using one to be a bug)
16:07:44[ ana] liw: ganeff cuddly? can you do a demo? ;-)
16:08:08[ liw] HE, fair enough
16:08:25[ liw] ana, I have seen him being hugged by a dozen people, so I think I'm convinced
16:08:36[ ana] ooooooooooooook
16:08:41[ ana] btu i havent :-P
16:08:56[ liw] ana, then you have to arrange it, I guess
16:09:05[ liw] ana, wiki.d.o/HugAGanneff
16:09:20[ ana] hihi
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16:10:28[ liw] ana, hm, I thought you were a DD (i.e., you could add cek to planet.d.o yourself)
16:10:45[ ana] liw: i'm
16:10:51[ lucas] .. lazy
16:10:58[ liw] ana, but you're not on db.debian.org
16:11:07[ liw] ana, or perhaps Ganneff just got his revenge?
16:11:09[ ana] liw: i'm waiting create the feed
16:11:12[ ana] liw: i'm!
16:11:24[ Ganneff] ana: you hope
16:11:29[ ana] finger ana@db.debian.org
16:11:38[ liw] ana, I know, I'm teasing you now
16:11:42[ KiBi] liw: She is.
16:11:46[ KiBi] liw: She just checked.
16:11:48[ ana] you scared me!!
16:12:00 * liw smiles
16:12:06 * ana sobs
16:12:08[ KiBi] ana: did you upload any shared objects in arch: all packages?
16:12:24[ KiBi] So you're still a DD :-)
16:12:39 * Ganneff shouldnt look into new right now. like - for ttf-ocr, kde*, etc. packages. (or i should and reject them)
16:13:00[ ana] i'll upload it again!
16:13:04[ ana] we can do NEW ping-pong
16:13:23[ KiBi] That might be more interesting that playing BTS pingpong with chealer.
16:13:31[ KiBi] FSVO interesting.
16:13:33[ lucas] ana: you are not in qa?
16:13:41[ Ganneff] it wouldnt run for long until we have automated ana rejects
16:13:43[ zack] Goneri: about 2'000 packages are listed in your database but are missing a VCS field!
16:13:49[ zack] Goneri: thanks for your data
16:14:12[ zack] Goneri: surprisingly enough, no package has a wrong VCS url wrt your database
16:14:18[ KiBi] zack: One less. I just committed the addition of Vcs-* to emacs-goodies-el (and to the 3 derived packages).
16:14:28[ zack] KiBi: cheater!
16:14:35[ zack] that's not fair...
16:14:39[ KiBi] zack: Is the following one correct?
16:14:39[ KiBi] Vcs-Cvs: :pserver:anonymous@cvs.alioth.debian.org:/cvsroot/pkg-goodies-el co emacs-goodies-el
16:14:50[ ana] lucas: nope
16:14:56[ ana] lucas: qa does not like me
16:15:00[ KiBi] I didn't see any Vcs-Cvs one until now, and my Sources file is quite inconsistent about Vcs-Cvs.
16:15:08[ zack] KiBi: erm, good question, I frankly don't remember the best practice for vcs
16:15:15[ zack] try if debcheckout is able to check it out
16:15:31[ KiBi] zack: Just being lazy :p
16:15:41[ zack] KiBi: wait, I'm sure I've wrote it down somewhere, let me check
16:16:07[ zack] http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog/posts/2007/08/debcheckout.html
16:16:15[ zack] there's a section about vcs-cvs
16:16:46[ KiBi] thanks
16:17:09[ ana] liw: http://wiki.debian.org/HugAGanneff 
16:17:33[ liw] ana, you still have a few seconds... run!
16:17:56 * KiBi countdowns.
16:18:15[ Myon] he isn't AM anymore
16:18:20[ Myon] otherwise, seconded :)
16:18:30[ ana] right, i should add his past CV
16:19:42[ ana] ok, if i do not survive until tonight, KiBi you can use my gpg keyid
16:19:45[ Myon] he's also does irc.debian.org (= oftc) and is freenode group contact for Debian
16:19:50[ ana] the password is 12345
16:20:35[ KiBi] 1-2 buckled my shoe
16:20:54[ ana] updated \o/
16:20:56[ cek] ana, http://cek.bitacoras.com/archivos/2007/11/30/mark-ocracy/
16:21:06[ ana] cek: tienes el feed en ingles?
16:21:13[ ana] i think it should be markcracy btw
16:21:26[ cek] sip, http://cek.bitacoras.com/archivos/category/english/
16:21:34 * ana adds
16:21:39[ ana] cek: hackergotchi?
16:21:39[ cek] upsss, sorry, http://cek.bitacoras.com/archivos/category/english/feed/
16:21:56[ cek] yes, I have one, but it it too ugly :)
16:22:11[ ana] ok, no hackergotchi then
16:22:29[ ana] you could do as some french people anyway and put a hackergotchi of when you were 15 years old
16:22:38[ KiBi] jb powah?
16:22:43[ KiBi] oh noes, that was lucas
16:22:50[ KiBi] hm, wait, he is still!
16:23:02[ ana] and aurel
16:23:10[ cek] ana, the one I have is 3 years old :)
16:23:18[ ana] cek: almost ! :D
16:23:33[ liw] hackergotchis are optional, luckily
16:23:43[ ana] yep
16:23:44[ cek] :)
16:23:54[ liw] I can't be bothered to make one
16:24:20[ dato] you used to have one
16:24:31[ dato] (me too; 3, actually)
16:24:41[ liw] I think I did, but that was before the current fad of non-rectangular pics
16:24:49[ Myon] liw: you should, or otherwise someone else will do
16:25:07[ dato] liw: (it was a real hackergotchi, I believe)
16:25:08[ liw] otoh, since I can't even update my web log currently...
16:26:15[ ana] cek: done, you should be there in next update
16:26:20[ cek] cool!
16:26:32[ cek] hope Mark doesn't want to kill me after this :)
16:26:34[ Ganneff] someone here in extremadura good with that bzr crap thing?
16:26:49[ liw] Ganneff, what do you need?
16:27:01[ Ganneff] an intro on general usage of it.
16:27:06[ liw] Ganneff, I can do that
16:27:08[ ana] cek: naaaah
16:27:13[ liw] Ganneff, online or in-person?
16:27:16[ Ganneff] great. now? or later?
16:27:20[ Ganneff] in-person preferred
16:27:20[ liw] now is fine
16:27:24[ liw] ok, let's
16:27:55[ dato] can I look? :)
16:28:06 * KiBi joins.
16:32:13 * h01ger lols about ceks mark-o-crazy blogpost (& the term)
16:32:29[ cek] xDDD
16:33:22[ ana] h01ger: you did not understand that in the talk?, heh
16:33:33[ h01ger] i did
16:33:41[ h01ger] but its nice to see it in blogspace
16:33:58 * h01ger hablas espanol como un telefono verde
16:34:22[ ana] h01ger: tss, still your spanish is better than my german :)
16:34:23[ cek] heheehhe
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16:40:08[ zack] Goneri: of course the first round of stat were wrong
16:40:40[ zack] about 1000 packages are missing the info, about 800 have wrong info
16:40:44[ Shoco] can anyone please remove :0
16:40:44[ Shoco] can anyone please remove * ^X-MIA-Tracker:
16:40:44[ Shoco] | /org/qa.debian.org/mia/mia-tracker --add
16:40:59[ Shoco] from /org/qa.debian.org/bin/mia-spam..*something ?
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16:41:11[ Goneri] zack: :)
16:41:17[ Shoco] the perl modules aren't installed yet and the mails aren't delivered anymore this way :)
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16:43:41[ Shoco] HE? :)
16:45:44[ lucas] zack: question: http://sockmel.bononia.it/~zack/homepage-field/ . why not http://qa.d.o ?
16:46:01[ zack] lucas: good question ...
16:46:08[ zack] qa.d.o/~zack would do?
16:46:30[ lucas] it's better than nothing
16:46:34[ zack] k
16:46:41[ lucas] we have to discuss that in the "data sources" BOF
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16:47:32[ lucas] in ubuntu, they use apache aliases so that all the interesting stuff seems to be on qa.ubuntuwire.com
16:47:38[ lucas] we could probably do the same
16:47:42[ Shoco] Can no anyone _PLEASE_ do this change on merkel?
16:48:06[ HE] Shoco: What's up`
16:48:21[ Myon] Shoco: get someone to install the modules
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16:48:42[ Shoco] Remove those lines: /org/qa.debian.org/bin/mia-spam-filter
16:48:43[ Shoco] :0
16:48:43[ Shoco] * ^X-MIA-Tracker:
16:48:43[ Shoco] | /org/qa.debian.org/mia/mia-tracker --add
16:48:56[ HE] Shoco: Why?
16:49:11[ Shoco] Myon: I wrote the mail
16:49:55[ Shoco] (HE does it now, thx)
16:50:13[ Myon] Shoco: commented
16:50:22[ Myon] who put that procmail recipe there?
16:50:23[ Shoco] Myon: oh, thx
16:50:27[ Shoco] luk
16:50:32[ Myon] :0 is baaad
16:50:53[ Myon] otoh, what's X-MIA-Tracker: anyway?
16:51:17[ Shoco] read the script... hmpf
16:51:23[ Myon] btw, we don't really use CVS, no use for $Id$ headers :)
16:51:33[ Shoco] svn propset :)
16:51:40[ Shoco] key:Id or something like that
16:51:59[ Myon] remind me to double-check your patches before committing them
16:52:11[ Shoco] whats wrong now again?
16:52:56[ Myon] which mails have that header set?
16:53:23[ Shoco] Until now noone...
16:58:33[ zack] lucas: in the end I did not quite implement what you had in mind, since I was more interested in how to push maintainers to declare their vcs info in the packages
16:58:42[ zack] here is what I came up to http://sockmel.bononia.it/~zack/vcs-urls/
16:58:53[ Myon] Shoco: you sounded like the whole DB was broken atm
16:59:18[ zack] lucas: stats are another (interesting to me) topic, but now I need to move to something else (workish :( )
17:00:16[ Shoco] Myon: How would I do that?
17:00:34[ Shoco] Myon: But please explain us what should be there instead of just :0
17:00:38[ Myon] 16:40 <Shoco> the perl modules aren't installed yet and the mails aren't delivered anymore this way :)
17:00:51[ Myon] 16:46 <Shoco> Can no anyone _PLEASE_ do this change on merkel?
17:01:00[ Myon] that sounded like an emergency
17:01:15[ Shoco] it blocks every mail sent to mia@ so... hmmm
17:01:24[ Shoco] s/blocks/blocked/
17:01:31[ Myon] why? if the header is not there...
17:02:00[ Shoco] Then what?
17:02:06[ Myon] then it doesn't break
17:02:26[ Shoco] Hum, right :-/
17:02:34 * Shoco tested it with a mail including the header :)
17:02:42[ Shoco] but please explain now what iswrong with :0
17:03:06[ Myon] I thought it should be a filter, or get a _copy_ of the mail
17:04:04[ Shoco] Mhh k
17:04:06[ Shoco] + c
17:04:07[ Shoco] :)
17:04:50[ Myon] does that script parse mia-* addresses?
17:05:11[ Myon] btw, it doesn't get called for mia@ itself
17:05:34[ Shoco] there you also don't want trackers, do you?
17:06:41[ Myon] 17:03 <Myon> does that script parse mia-* addresses?
17:06:56[ Myon] or should it just have a static address?
17:07:18[ Shoco] mia-* addresses
17:07:29[ Myon] k
17:07:56[ Shoco] So if I tell someone "I want an answer within 30" days then I add "X-MIA-Tracker: 20071230 mario" and I will get a notification about that in 30 days
17:08:00[ Myon] ah - if($_ =~ /^To: (.*) <(.*\@.*)>/)
17:08:27[ Myon] that's... broken, there's Cc, Bcc, multi-line headers and stuff
17:09:01[ Shoco] Hmmm I guess no
17:09:12[ Shoco] because the person you ping is always directly in the "To" field
17:09:37[ liw] only assuming sane mail user agents and sane users of sane mail user agents
17:10:02[ Myon] do you use Date::Calc for anything other than Today()?
17:10:33[ Shoco] Myon: so add the script to the SVN please, would be much easier
17:10:38[ Shoco] then I'll send you the patches for it
17:11:03[ Shoco] ok, luk will do it ;)
17:11:14[ Myon] I don't see why you couldn't patch it beforehand
17:11:31[ Myon] I'm very much not impressed by your shoot-at-everything-that-moves approach to things
17:11:56[ Shoco] Myon: You're always _so_ constructive
17:13:50[ Shoco] Myon: Better tell me now what you exactly want to have patched...
17:14:10[ Shoco] I guess a clean "To:" field can be assumed by people who write MIA pings
17:14:25[ Shoco] 2) What's not ok when using Date::Calc?
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17:15:35[ Myon] what's wrong with the current implementation of the mia tools? They do remind you after a given interval
17:15:49[ Shoco] Do they?
17:15:49[ Myon] except that there's too much entries, but that's a different topic
17:16:14[ Myon] "prod" etc will set "mailed for N days" status
17:16:21[ Shoco] If you want to...
17:16:32[ Myon] so that person will not show up with mia-todo
17:16:44[ luk] it's about mailing reminders...
17:16:54[ Shoco] I personally want to be notified by mail... But if you have another opinion: You aren't forced to use it
17:17:05[ Shoco] it's just an optional addition which _I_ will use
17:17:07[ Myon] ok
17:17:12[ Shoco] and someone else an find it useful too
17:17:17[ Shoco] s/an/can/
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17:17:54[ Myon] you know, you could have just explained what you want it to do instead of yelling "go read the script" at me
17:20:30[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: luk * r1752 /trunk/ (bin/mia-spam-filter mia/mia-tracker mia/mia.conf): Add a tool to remind you by e-mail for MIA tracking when you have set the X-MIA-Tracker header (mario a.k.a. Shoco)
17:21:16[ Shoco] Myon: You will be able to read it in my README patch
17:30:31[ lucas] liw: how is piuparts' svn? should I use the svn version if I do a piuparts run now?
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17:31:35[ liw] lucas, yes please
17:35:25[ h01ger] why is that not in unstable?
17:35:45[ liw] because I haven't uploaded it yet
17:35:49[ liw] <--- lazy
17:38:39[ h01ger] i knew it. its your fault. you're the piuparts maintainer alone. the rest of the group is just crashtest dummies
17:39:06[ liw] hm, I also meant to import the changes in the Ubuntu version before I upload, but that can actually wait until later
17:39:09[ liw] so I'll do the upload now
17:39:37[ HE] So, I would like to do the buildd thingie in like 20 minutes or so. Who's interested?
17:39:51 * Myon 
17:39:51[ pusling] .o/
17:39:53 * KiBi o/
17:40:03 * pusling highfives Myon 
17:40:14[ liw] HE, buildd thingie?
17:40:20[ liw] ah, from teh schedule
17:40:43[ HE] liw: Yep
17:46:06::: h01ger changed the topic of #debian-qa to: <HE> I have nothing to do, but squashing RC bugs looks too hard. | When you have QA news, please add them http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/Reports/Draft | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007/Schedule || Mirror: 172.16.1.130:/mirror (nfs) || printer: http://paste.debian.net/43813
17:46:23[ Shoco] 1196440745
17:46:31[ liw] oh, ah, the real reason I can't upload right now is that I need to install a Debian machine first O:-)
17:46:59[ h01ger] you mean chroot?
17:46:59[ h01ger] :)
17:47:18[ liw] chroot, qemu, or the spare machine I have at home
17:47:21[ h01ger] HE, nice attack on the buildd admins in your summary :)
17:47:39[ KiBi] Ad hominem?
17:48:04[ h01ger] right. that was the word i had in mind but couldnt find
17:48:26[ zack] MadCoder: how can I merge your css snippets in the default pts css?
17:48:42[ zack] i've tried (naively?) to just spread them in the available css stylesheet but they don't seem to be working
17:48:53[ zack] some css black magic I'm missing?
17:53:26[ HE] h01ger: As we all know, I'm always happy to flame people
17:55:34[ HE] So, who's going to do a introductory talk? :)
17:56:22 * dato should do a bit of homework. grmprf.
17:56:37[ HE] dato: That was what annoyed me yesterday
17:56:49[ dato] HE: I see.
17:57:15[ HE] dato: You understand that I was annoyed by you needing to your homework?
17:58:19[ dato] HE: mmm? I understood you were annoyed by you having to do your homework, or something.
17:58:40[ HE] dato: Yes, that I was :)
17:59:02[ h01ger] HE, and with that attitude you only made it to frontdesk? IME that qualifies you for much more ;)
17:59:22[ HE] h01ger: You know I'm working on becoming DPL
17:59:24[ KiBi] h01ger: like being udev maintainer?
18:00:01[ KiBi] HE: By keeping on repeating you're not?
18:00:22[ HE] KiBi: I'm not running for DPL
18:00:24[ ana] we should start doing campainging for HE 
18:00:34[ h01ger] ana, you already did
18:00:38[ KiBi] HE: OK, I thought I accidentally misunderstood you.
18:00:42[ KiBi] I'm reassured now.
18:00:57[ KiBi] ana: campaigngaining
18:00:58[ h01ger] KiBi, he is not running for. he will just become DPL because we have no other way out
18:01:04[ Shoco] #444575 - Lol
18:01:09[ KiBi] h01ger: Ah, destinity?
18:01:19[ HE] KiBi: I'm becoming DPL by not running for DPL, isn't it wonderful?
18:01:26[ KiBi] HE: 'mpressive, really.
18:01:49[ liw] HE's becoming DPL because I can't run, until people give me enough money to survive for a bit over a year, so there!
18:02:03[ KiBi] ahah
18:02:37[ pusling] liw: you signed a no-dpl-contract ? ;)
18:02:53[ h01ger] liw, can people also move you to a cheaper place than finland? you'd just need to move a few kilometers
18:02:57[ KiBi] Non-DPL Agreement.
18:03:17[ KiBi] h01ger: Into the sea?
18:03:18[ liw] pusling, not explicitly, but implicitly yes
18:03:23[ Ganneff] liw: you havent said you want much money. you just wanted to be paid! you are breaking your promises even before you get elected. You... You... politican!
18:03:24[ Ganneff] :)
18:03:51[ liw] Ganneff, jawohl, das ist korrekt
18:03:53[ HE] miau
18:04:10[ h01ger] HE got r00ted
18:04:21[ liw] h01ger, nope, merely DAMned
18:04:31[ h01ger] thats worth IME
18:04:33[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1753 /trunk/pts/www/web/common/pts.css: differentiate titlelink and titlecell calss (closes: #404475)
18:04:36[ h01ger] worse
18:04:41[ h01ger] ohmy
18:05:14[ godog] dato: what's that anyway?
18:05:37[ godog] the new table formed, I must have missed something
18:06:02[ liw] godog, buildd stuff, see schedule
18:06:04[ dato] godog: talking about buildd stuff
18:06:18[ godog] hah
18:10:22[ h01ger] zack++ (developernews..)
18:15:30[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1754 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/news2rss.xsl: add date to the description of RSS items (same syntax as the summary in the per-package PTS page)
18:15:58[ Ganneff] the connection to the us sucks
18:16:31[ Ganneff] 90% packet loss now
18:19:08[ h01ger] to .fi is fine :)
18:19:47[ Ganneff] spain hates us
18:22:00[ liw] Espana liebt nicht die Lederhosen
18:28:13[ cek] España liebt die Totenhosen
18:29:19[ ana] ajú que caló
18:29:30[ Ganneff] aaaaaaaaaaaaargs. i hate those damn chairs
18:29:31[ Ganneff] HATE
18:29:44[ ana] i do not think they are so bad
18:30:18[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1755 /trunk/pts/www/ (web/common/compact.css xsl/pts.xsl): new alternate stylesheet, more compact, so that more info fits into a single page
18:30:31[ Ganneff] they are pretty bad if you sit long on them.
18:30:53[ Shoco] ack
18:32:25[ cek] Ganneff, you are right
18:39:37[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1756 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: add some id/class attributes to enable more processing CSS-side
18:39:58[ KiBi] HE: I'll start parsing some random build failures.
18:40:03[ HE] KiBi: Have fun :)
18:40:26[ KiBi] Once I've got several & possibly representative enough samples, should be doable at a greater scale.
18:40:30[ KiBi] thanks :p
18:41:02[ KiBi] aha @ dannf on -release :)
18:41:12[ KiBi] HE: ^ and you were saying he's busy? :p
18:42:50[ luk] so, who is interested?
18:42:58[ HE] luk: You are!
18:43:10[ luk] ok, lets start
18:43:31[ ana] lucas: can you say it again by IRC?
18:43:36[ ana] some pelple is with earplugs
18:43:51[ luk] we were thinking of having a central place to put an overview of the tools and datasources for qa work in debian...
18:44:14[ KiBi] can i has airplugs?
18:44:55[ luk] so first things first:
18:45:11[ luk] how do we want to name the webpage and where do we want to put it?
18:45:18[ Ganneff] qa.d.o
18:45:21[ Ganneff] merkel
18:45:22[ Ganneff] ?
18:45:42[ dato] an overview like a description/introduction?
18:45:43[ ana] when is the bof about qa.debian.org website, btw?
18:45:43[ Ganneff] there is there is that page, use it.
18:45:45[ luk] I think merkel is not a good name for the webpage
18:45:59[ KiBi] :)
18:46:11[ HE] Call it schroeder
18:46:23[ KiBi] merkel://merkel/~merkel/merkel.merkel
18:46:26[ godog] call it IRC
18:47:23[ luk] liw: do you read IRC backlog?
18:47:33[ liw] luk, sometimes
18:47:45[ liw] luk, why?
18:48:06[ luk] we are doing a BOF right now on IRC :-)
18:48:15[ liw] oh, on irc, why?
18:48:38[ h01ger] stop being productive and on-topic _here_
18:49:57[ bzed] produ...what?
18:50:10[ liw] luk, as for place, I think wiki.debian.org seems like the obvious choice
18:50:32[ dato] bzed: prodromou
18:51:14[ Ganneff] why put something qa not on the qa pages?
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18:52:32[ ana] ...why we do not put something more.. updated on the qa pages?
18:53:51[ liw] a web page is harder to get updated, that's why I think the wiki would be nice (http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org is not the most logical of wikipages, though)
18:54:41[ Ganneff] that shouldnt be a problem, those with group qa should just get webwml access for the qa area
18:55:29[ luk] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQATools
18:55:32[ liw] and then learn how to edit wml, and figure out the build process, and ... no thanks
18:55:53[ luk] we can start with that page and move/copy it later...
18:55:59[ h01ger] KiBi, it looks like you drank all the water. 
18:56:02[ liw] luk, sure
18:56:15[ Ganneff] liw: you do not build the website. thats done automagically.
18:56:16[ KiBi] h01ger: I'd prefer having drank all the wine.
18:56:26[ Ganneff] but if the website isnt used - we can also delete it.
18:56:30[ luk] so people start updating the wiki page NOW :-)
18:56:35[ liw] Ganneff, you want to build it to see that your changes work
18:56:52[ Ganneff] i just find it useless to have it spread, especially if there is the logical qa.d.o page
18:57:02[ liw] luk, ok, so next question: what should be on that page? just a list of qa related tools?
18:57:46[ luk] yes, qa related tools that are used already by one or more
18:57:47[ liw] (and as long as moin sucks at conflict management, it's better if one person edits it at a time)
18:58:23[ KiBi] \o/ $DVCS-powered wikis.
18:58:39[ dato] ikibiki!
18:58:53[ liw] luk, add autopkgtest
18:58:57[ KiBi] That's more a blog than a wiki actually.
18:59:28[ luk] so also descriptions and location (vcs url or similar) should be added IMHO
18:59:51[ liw] luk, ack, but I'm still thinking of tools to add
19:00:02[ luk] sure
19:00:19[ dato] HE: http://ftp-master.debian.org/~adeodato/ood_excuses.html ; ries:~adeodato/code/work/ood_excuses.py
19:00:32[ liw] hm, piuparts doesn't have a web page... oops
19:00:52[ KiBi] dato: We really should merge all excuses tools into a single page.
19:00:57[ KiBi] There're already 2 linked from ddpo.
19:01:05[ h01ger] KiBi, fair 'nough
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19:01:19 * KiBi mima a h01ger
19:01:20[ dato] KiBi: well, this one is not meant for package maintainers
19:01:26[ h01ger] mima?
19:01:27[ KiBi] dato: alright
19:01:33[ KiBi] h01ger: affective waving
19:01:42[ h01ger] ic. ui :)
19:01:45[ KiBi] Can't you speak Spanish? :p
19:02:14[ luk] liw: though piuparts has a server where individual DDs will be able to use it, right?
19:02:28[ liw] luk, yes, but it's not in use right now
19:02:32[ HE] dato: Could you add the wanna-build status on that page? Only looking at those that have building/failed-attempt should be more interesting
19:02:39[ zobel] Supposedly DJB has released all of his code into the public domain.  If
19:02:39[ zobel] this is really the case and passes DFSG, I plan to package djbdns                                                                                                                                                                       
19:02:41[ liw] luk, http://piuparts.cs.helsinki.fi/
19:02:43[ zobel] assuming Adam McKenna (maintainer of djbdns-installer) doesn't want to.                                                                                                                                                                 
19:02:47[ h01ger] KiBi, tu hables espanol bueno? es possible por ti to get more water? estoy afraid i'll confuse people or maybe this is a lame excuse and i'm just lazy..
19:02:48 * KiBi blames luk & liw for having the same nick colour and nick length.
19:02:53[ zobel] as i said today... it will only take hours...
19:02:56[ dato] HE: "Packages in Dep-Wait or Needs-Build are not shown. "
19:02:57[ KiBi] h01ger: ahah. :)
19:03:06 * zobel still waits for the qmail ITP
19:03:08[ h01ger] KiBi, i might mima back at you then ;)
19:03:13[ HE] dato: Oh. Remind to learn to read at some point
19:03:13[ KiBi] zobel: Already done.
19:03:21[ zobel] by whom?
19:03:35[ KiBi] 352 -  30 Nov Robert Edmonds       Bug#453680: ITP: djbdns -- Replacement for BIND, written by Dan Bernstein
19:03:49[ zobel] that was NOT qmail!
19:03:53[ KiBi] Oops.
19:03:56[ luk] qmail is already in non-free
19:04:06[ liw] qmail isn't a QA topic...
19:04:15[ zobel] it's not?
19:04:18[ KiBi] How not to do QA?
19:04:28[ h01ger] zobel, can you please leave here and go to #debian-qa-productive? doing work here is kind of annoying, it makes me feel bad
19:04:44[ HE] luk: Yeah, but only as do-it-yourself kit
19:05:02[ HE] dato: BTW, did you notice that I used your page to annoy waldi in #-release? :)
19:05:08[ dato] HE: yes
19:05:15[ HE] See, it's useful to share the fun
19:05:15[ zobel] h01ger: why should i join an empty channel :)
19:05:25[ HE] zobel: So that it is non-empty. D'uh!
19:06:30[ HE] dato: So, another suggestion: Put the date of the last build attempt next to the link to the log?
19:06:31[ luk] please have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebiandatingQATools and tell me what could need up
19:06:39[ dato] HE: if you end up mailing vorlon after all, I think he prefers it by architecture; I write files like http://ftp-master.debian.org/~adeodato/give-backs/done/2007-08-25.txt and pipe them through http://ftp-master.debian.org/~adeodato/give-backs/vorlon.py
19:07:38[ luk] liw: can you give a good description and pointer for autopkgtest?
19:07:39[ dato] HE: sounds doable, since $arch-all.txt stats from buildd.d.o seem to have timestamps
19:08:26[ liw] luk, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/autopkgtest -- I don't know if anyone but Ian Jackson is currently using it
19:08:45[ h01ger] zobel, what HE said. also you will be more productive there because there are no silly highlights
19:10:10[ zobel] i was productive today.
19:10:29[ h01ger] glad you left it behind :)
19:10:52[ HE] zobel: You will get over it
19:12:10[ liw] zobel, be productive while you can, when HE is DPL, productivity will get you kicked out of the project
19:12:58[ ana] can i has a productive day?
19:13:15[ HE] ana: No, but you can have one of Ganneff's cookies
19:13:25[ zobel] liw: then he will never receive the Ivar Regal Boeden i am supposed to fetch for him now.
19:13:27[ ana] actually i would like one of those pink thingies
19:13:29[ Ganneff] err
19:13:33[ ana] Ganneff: can i has one?
19:13:44[ liw] I'm productive today, I'm watching QEMU *again* (It's now running the piuparts slave)
19:14:12[ HE] luk: Is watching QEMU as much fun as you make it look?
19:14:19[ liw] children, I'm surrounded by children
19:14:38[ HE] s/luk/liw/
19:15:00[ ana] it is like wtach tv
19:15:01[ liw] HE, no, it's differently fun than it looks
19:16:19[ h01ger] liw, ping
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19:19:18[ bzed] the redhead eats Ganneff .....
19:19:31[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1757 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: tag with appropriate ids well-known source files: dsc, diff, orig
19:19:50[ HE] bzed: Bah, i'll never forget these images in front of my inner eye
19:22:20[ HE] http://wiki.debian.org/AutomaticBuildLogProcessing
19:23:08[ KiBi] thanks
19:23:16[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1758 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: tagging with an id <li> elements instead of <a> elements (more flexible on the css side)
19:23:23[ KiBi] Slow as hell.
19:24:10[ liw] wiki.d.o is excessively slow right now
19:24:24[ HE] That's because all the QA people spend their time entering new information
19:24:36[ liw] I don't
19:24:50[ HE] Yeah, but you are busy wathcing compiling
19:25:10[ liw] nein, I watschen das blinkenemus
19:26:00[ luk] lucas: didn't you want to have a similar page about data sources used in QA?
19:26:42[ Ganneff] no water. and no milk. what a place.
19:28:46[ KiBi] And even not responding at all.
19:29:33 * h01ger gets beer
19:33:03[ cek] ana, dato, h01ger: somebody is requesting the slides in my blog :)
19:33:23[ lucas] luk: yes, but only I don't not leading this :-)
19:33:31[ lucas] s/I don't not/I'm not/
19:34:07[ ana] cek: "my" slides http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2007/dudesconf/2007_DUDES_05_DDHowTo.pdf
19:35:55[ Ganneff] dato: danke
19:36:17[ cek] ana, ok :)
19:36:47[ ana] cek: it si kevin mark
19:36:59[ ana] cek: he is a blog-commentarist professional
19:37:16[ HE] He's useless
19:37:27[ cek] lol, i was supposing that...but :)
19:37:48[ ana] cek: ask him if he speaks spanish in first instance...
19:37:57[ ana] i'm under the impresion he assumed it was in english
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19:38:12[ h01ger] HE's useless indeed
19:38:34[ cek] I told him that there were some slides, but in Spanish
19:38:40[ h01ger] cek, i'm not sure i want to publish the slides as they are.
19:38:44[ h01ger] cek, estupendo!
19:39:06[ HE] Is http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=chron;ver=2.3-15-1;arch=sparc;stamp=1195758121 one of the dpkg-shlibdeps error that is not emitted anymore by not-so-Nazi-anymore-dpkg
19:39:13[ HE] s/$/?/
19:41:23[ lucas] HE: luk: rebuild of lenny/main/i386 started
19:41:30[ HE] lucas: Cool, thanks!
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19:58:30[ dato] Ganneff: you're welcome :)
20:00:54[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1759 /trunk/pts/www/ (web/common/compact.css web/common/pts.css xsl/pts.xsl): render package source files under a "Package files" block (which might in the future also include binary files links) and rendere them in a more compact way, ona single logical line
20:04:14[ zobel] bG!
20:08:23[ Shoco] Anyone interested in a little BOF about the MIA stuff tomorrow?
20:08:30[ ana] +1
20:08:51[ HE] --
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20:08:56[ luk] +2
20:08:56[ HE] Now we are 0 again
20:08:56[ Shoco] luk++
20:11:56[ KiBi] luk++ => lul
20:12:24[ HE] KiBi: Gah
20:12:36[ Ganneff] you have to luk++ until its lol
20:13:31[ KiBi] can i haz an hoverflau?
20:15:16[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1760 /trunk/pts/www/ (web/common/compact.css web/common/pts.css xsl/pts.xsl): better rendering for bug count: sub-counts are smaller indented to make clearer that they are part of a whole
20:19:30[ zack] Goneri: KiBi's addition of the svnbuildstat link points to svnbuildstat even if the package is not indexed by svnbuildstat
20:19:41[ zack] following such a link leads to the repository list without any notice
20:19:55[ zack] maybe you can add a warning informing that the package is not listed there and suggest the addition?
20:20:28[ zack] otherwise we need to do something different from the PTS, e.g.: downloading a list of indexed packages in svnbuildstat and put the link only for them
20:20:37[ KiBi] zack: I told him already yesterday.
20:21:49[ KiBi] Can someone do a query-mia on David Schleef for me?
20:22:07[ ana] KiBi: you can do it yourself!
20:22:12[ KiBi] Someone just mailed me to see whether he could take over swfdec maintenance — which I believe is a sane move.
20:24:11[ tarzeau] i'd so love sort by age for http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/requested
20:24:19[ zobel] KiBi: 2007-02-23: out;
20:25:07[ ana] zobel: he already did the query ;)
20:25:12[ zobel] ah, okay
20:26:02[ KiBi] \o/ I did something on merkel \o/
20:26:13[ ana] KiBi: did you break it? :P
20:26:20[ KiBi] Social engineering works great.
20:26:28[ KiBi] Let's try a privilege escalation.
20:32:31[ KiBi] HE: An example output: http://paste.debian.net/43842
20:33:11[ HE] KiBi: Hmmm, looks good
20:33:12[ KiBi] HE: In the first case, the installation failed because of a “command not found”, I'm not really sure what to do in that case.
20:33:35[ HE] What is the first sample?
20:33:37[ KiBi] I need more data/samples to see whether that fits, though. Fetching more logs.
20:33:46[ KiBi] a hurdish one, IIRC
20:33:54[ HE] Uh, hurdish is weird
20:33:56[ KiBi] samples/gnome-desktop_2.20.2-1_hurd-i386
20:34:08[ KiBi] But I believe that it can happen when a package is broken.
20:34:20[ KiBi] e.g. a (post|pre)inst calling an external tool unconditionally.
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20:34:29[ KiBi] (scrollkeeper, update-menus, etc.)
20:35:14[ HE] KiBi: Well, that's a bug, I guess
20:35:29[ HE] KiBi: pidof isn't mandatory from a policy PoV, is it?
20:35:32[ KiBi] HE: I mean: I'll probably drop that case and say: Look for yourself! :)
20:35:39[ KiBi] Not that I know.
20:35:53[ HE] KiBi: Then kick those damn gnome maintainers!
20:36:00[ KiBi] Note that it was an ancient log, IIRC. Just playing with weird stuff a bit. :)
20:36:12[ HE] The hurd log is from today :)
20:36:18[ HE] http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=gnome-desktop&ver=2.20.2-1&arch=hurd-i386&stamp=1196442847&file=log&as=raw :-P
20:36:19[ KiBi] oops :D
20:36:19[ h01ger] zack, olsrd is listed in http://sockmel.bononia.it/~zack/vcs-urls/pkg_w_buggy_vcs_urls.dd-list.txt - but tuxmath and tuxtype not, and they use the same fields... whats wrong where? :)
20:36:37[ KiBi] \o/ dd-list.
20:37:08 * h01ger play hurt by kermit
20:37:12[ h01ger] +s
20:40:57[ liw] I wonder if we should have, at the QA meeting, a computer go "beep" every time someone files a bug, and "beep-BEEP" every time one is closed? just to improve morale...
20:42:06[ h01ger] sounds like a cool idea
20:42:17[ liw] h01ger, so do it :)
20:42:27 * KiBi calls Coyot.
20:42:33[ KiBi] beep-beep
20:43:07 * h01ger closes liw wontfix
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20:50:08[ ana] INFO-MEETING: dinner will start in 10 minutes in the next table
20:50:40[ HE] ana: What will we have for dinner?
20:50:40 * Shoco goes into the table
20:50:54[ HE] ana: Will there be chocolate goodness?
20:51:18[ Ganneff] shoco does what?
20:51:21[ h01ger] HE, i dont think Shoco qualifies as godness
20:51:21[ ana] HE: do not know
20:51:25[ HE] Ganneff: He iz learnink engrish
20:51:39[ HE] h01ger: Perhaps as goddess?
20:52:00 * HE is allowed to do that, I'm watching the test suite run
20:52:00[ Ganneff] harrharr
20:54:15[ Shoco] s/goddess/good dessert/
20:54:36[ KiBi] \o/ Shoco-late¡!!
20:55:05 * Shoco slaps KiBi with a map from the paris-ORLY-airport
20:55:21[ zobel] hihi
20:55:49[ ana] O'RELY airport?
20:55:55[ ana] O'RLY
20:56:03[ KiBi] TTLY aeropuerto
20:56:14[ Ganneff] same broken game as yesterday? where is my stuff? thats *not* funny.
20:56:16[ KiBi] Sounds like Portugese actually.
20:57:22 * Shoco is hungry
20:57:41[ zobel] Shoco: so eat Shoco!
20:58:00[ Shoco] zobel: let's have a look at the dessert today :-/
20:58:18[ Shoco] HE: only 4 bottles of wine again :(
20:58:19[ h01ger] .oO( masturbation con chocolate )
20:58:23 * h01ger blinds
20:58:32[ HE] Shoco: OMFG NOOOOO
20:58:42[ KiBi] oO !
20:59:02[ ana] dessert fruit
21:00:21[ zobel] HE: 6?
21:02:15[ HE] zobel: 6?
21:02:33[ ana] INFO-MEETING: dinner dinner dinner
21:02:34[ ana] INFO-MEETING: dinner dinner dinner
21:02:35[ ana] INFO-MEETING: dinner dinner dinner
21:02:46[ Shoco] 6 x 6, die heisseste nummer deutschlands (as an addition for liw) :P
21:03:10[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1761 /trunk/pts/www/ (web/common/pts.css xsl/pts.xsl): delegated rendering of todo and problems boxes to CSS
21:03:27[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1762 /trunk/pts/www/web/common/compact.css: changed color scheme
21:04:47[ zobel] HE: 6 bottles of wine this time?
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22:12:26[ h01ger] only 4
22:15:28[ ana] U
22:16:35[ godog] lucas is laughing big time though
22:19:17[ Shoco] Wah...
22:19:51[ Shoco] ana, luk: What about having the MIA-BOF in 10 minutes in the cafeteria? (there is cake, chocolate and beer available - this increases the flow of ideas)
22:20:29[ ana] Shoco: nop.. too tired
22:20:37[ Shoco] pfff
22:20:46[ Shoco] there's also coffee available :D
22:20:57[ pusling] drunkenana
22:21:12[ KiBi] opendrunktankarena
22:21:24[ Shoco] drunken-frozen-banana from the canarian islands
22:21:33[ ana] pusling: i'm not drunk
22:21:39[ liw] icebanananas
22:21:46[ KiBi] ana: Yes you are.
22:24:14[ HE] zobel: No.
22:31:08[ KiBi] liw: o<
22:31:21[ KiBi] liw: Do you have any idea what "opiat" is?
22:31:45[ liw] KiBi, an opium extract?
22:32:09[ KiBi] liw: More like in “ja opiat suomea”
22:32:22[ liw] KiBi, "opit", "you learn"
22:32:29[ liw] "and you learn Finnish"
22:32:36[ KiBi] Oh, makes sense, thanks.
22:32:54[ liw] de nada
22:33:25[ KiBi] liw: kiitos
22:33:27[ h01ger] KiBi, ja opiat suomea?
22:33:32[ KiBi] h01ger: Not yet.
22:33:49[ h01ger] KiBi, tell me when you're done
22:33:58[ KiBi] h01ger: I'm done. :)
22:34:06[ h01ger] wow
22:34:22[ KiBi] h01ger: I was actually giving some tips to a friend of mine, and since I don't need anything aymore, I'm done. :p
22:35:02[ KiBi] zack: Looks like you pasted your template in your mail :p
22:35:48[ zack] KiBi: right :)
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22:38:24[ ana] uhn, tomorrow is mailman day
22:38:46[ KiBi] oh-noes
22:39:08[ dato] every mailman day deactivate *one* of those reminders.
22:39:13[ dato] eventually you'll get there.
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22:51:44[ lucas] you don't use listadmin?
22:51:57[ lucas] ah
22:52:04[ Ganneff] what has that to do with mailman day?
22:52:43[ lucas] ah, I thought that ana was talking about processing the queues of messages awaiting moderation
22:53:04[ godog] HE: what about jukebox-mercury? you did the last NMU in 2003...
22:53:06[ KiBi] o< lucas 
22:53:14[ ana] KiBi: no, luca
22:53:30[ KiBi] loucassse
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22:53:38[ Shoco] What about Essential: yes for asciijump?
22:53:40[ ana] lucu
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22:53:45[ KiBi] ana: Actually I was showing him the effect of loading nickcolor.pl.
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22:53:55[ KiBi] o/ ping timeouts
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22:53:59[ ana] nickcolor. urg
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22:54:19[ godog] pink timeouts
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23:03:04[ KiBi] HE: OK, added support for alternative as well.
23:03:07[ KiBi] (Build-dependencies.)
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23:07:22[ lucas] .
23:07:30[ KiBi] ..
23:07:42[ KiBi] … \o/ I won
23:08:23[ Ganneff] ........................................
23:08:25[ Ganneff] you lost
23:09:02[ liw] I for one welcome our new dotty overlord
23:09:05[ lucas]  
23:09:11[ lucas] you all got it wrong
23:09:14[ lucas] it was the other way around
23:09:18[ Ganneff]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ...
23:09:19[ Ganneff] ...                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            
23:09:46[ Myon] where's pacman when you need him?
23:10:22[ Ganneff] ···
23:12:19[ Myon] ◶
23:12:24[ Ganneff] !
23:12:45[ KiBi] I'm your dotty maintainer.
23:12:50[ Ganneff] you should have come here, myon
23:13:06[ pusling] ···································································································································································································
23:13:22[ lucas] ok, I strongly regret starting this
23:13:33[ lucas] are we going to go drink some beers tonight?
23:13:34[ Ganneff] lucas: g ·· o ·· o ·· d ··
23:13:46[ KiBi] Seconded.
23:14:03 * lucas seeks other seconds
23:14:03[ Goneri] +1
23:14:06[ Ganneff] -3
23:14:09[ Myon] ⚆
23:14:16[ lucas] I'm not going only with the french cabal :)
23:14:32[ Goneri] GERMAN CAN'T DRINK
23:14:48[ liw] I'm not interested in beer, I might be interested in going somewhere with comfortable chairs, not too much noise, and no smoke
23:15:06[ lucas] Deutchen kann nicht trinken
23:15:19[ KiBi] können
23:15:29[ lucas] ja
23:15:40[ lucas] richtig
23:15:54[ liw] Deutchen trinken in Panzerwagen! Mit Scholatenbananen und Wienerkartoffeln!
23:16:23[ KiBi] What about Schnitzel?
23:17:52[ liw] aber Schnitzel ist nicht für trinken, es ist nur für watchen die Blinkenlichten, bitte keine gefingerpoken in das Schnitzel, mit oder ohne Schimmentrunken
23:20:01[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1763 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: add an outer div to the main information body
23:20:57[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1764 /trunk/pts/www/web/common/ (compact.css debian.png): 
23:20:57[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: "redish" theme for alternate compact css, thanks to h01ger for the suggestion.
23:20:57[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: Theme freely inspired from the current wiki.debian.org theme.
23:23:15[ liw] I hear Spanish bars are smoky, so I am, alas, not interested
23:23:57[ pusling] 7me neither
23:25:07[ KiBi] HE: http://paste.debian.net/43846 even.
23:29:44[ lucas] [HEADS UP] tomorrow there will be a visit of merida after lunch!
23:30:12[ lucas] [HEADS UP2] as you might have heard, on sunday we are leaving at 4.30 for the airport
23:30:25[ liw] lucas, what does the visit involve?
23:30:26[ lucas] (the first flight is at 10.50, so we should be fine)
23:30:40[ lucas] "involve"?
23:30:51[ lucas] (visit is not mandatory)
23:31:05[ lucas] but Merida is apparently a very nice city (check wikipedia)
23:31:23[ liw] lucas, where are we going? what are we doing? walking or by car? what do we need in clothes, money, protective armor?
23:31:40[ godog] Mérida, Yucatán, capital city of the Mexican state of Yucatán
23:31:41[ pusling] liw: you need to wear gauntlets
23:32:47[ cek] liw, we will visit the roman bridge, diana temple, roman theater, roman anfitheater, arab alcazaba, etc...
23:33:14[ cek] liw, regarding the money you have to pay if you want to visit the roman museum and also for the theater and anfitheater
23:33:58[ cek] godog, that Mérida name is because this city was called Mérida before :)
23:34:18[ cek] Mérida = Emerita Augusta, capital of the Lusitanian province of the Roman Empire
23:34:33[ liw] cek, sounds interesting
23:34:40[ cek] cool :)
23:35:22[ godog] cek: indeed, I was reading WP
23:35:51[ liw] I wish I could've brought my camera *sigh*
23:37:14[ cek] godog, ok :)
23:38:05[ cek] will you upload your pictures to anywhere?
23:40:20[ Shoco] has amaya arrived yet?
23:40:59[ HE] http://172.16.1.151/~he/DOKTORARBEIT_Penisverletzungen_bei_Masturbation_mit_Staubsaugern.pdf
23:41:12[ ana] cek: cool!
23:41:20[ godog] HE: SFW?
23:41:29[ liw] ana, you're typing in your sleep?
23:41:45[ ana] liw: just checking the email
23:41:49[ pusling] HE: can't connect to host ;)
23:42:04[ ana] liw: too geeky, i know =)
23:42:04[ cek] Shoco, yes
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23:44:48[ ana] is amaya there?
23:44:53[ dato] no
23:44:53[ ana] i mean in the meeting room?
23:44:56[ liw] ana, no
23:45:00[ ana] ok, then i'll see her tomorrow
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23:51:07[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1765 /trunk/pts/www/ (4 files in 2 dirs): more compact rendering for maintainer email using an icon (with proper @alt and @title)
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23:59:43[ MadCoder] zack: the modifications I did are inlined at the top of the fake html
--- Day changed sam déc 01 2007
00:00:01[ MadCoder] the rest is html block reordering, and you cannot do that through css only ttbomk ;)
00:04:56[ zack] well, you can (afaik), but you would need more info generated at the html level
00:09:50[ cek] ana, amaya is here...
00:10:38[ Shoco] In the room?
00:10:44[ cek] yeah
00:10:44[ godog] in the room
00:10:55[ Shoco] Is this a reason to come down?
00:10:58[ Shoco] :P
00:11:05[ Shoco] does she have chocolate or beer?
00:11:07[ bzed] I doubt h01ger shares
00:11:09[ bzed] beer
00:11:17[ cek] its up to you but she has some chocolate
00:13:19[ Shoco] CHOCO?
00:13:22[ Shoco] I'll be there
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00:21:22 * Shoco is back :(
00:26:17[ cek] Shoco, she has chocolate, I was not joking :)
00:26:43[ Shoco] Yes but in her room :(
00:31:53[ zack] MadCoder: I haven't actually integrated your changes yet, still, you can go to the pts page of vim and choose the "compact alternate css" on which I've worked a bit
00:32:07[ zack] i will propose it as the new default for the pts
00:32:24[ zack] it's more compact then the original one, what do you think about that? still need 3 columns in your opinion?
00:35:21[ MadCoder] where do I chose the compact alternate css ?
00:36:08[ MadCoder] zack: what I dislike in the current PTS is that I need to scroll
00:36:30[ MadCoder] I mean, there are important things I use in the left column that arent on my screen
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09:19:36[ lucas] MadCoder: buy a bigger screen ;)
09:22:08[ lucas] the compact rendering stylesheet doesn't render very well here (epiphany)
09:22:19[ lucas] lots of white space on the right of the screen
09:22:31[ lucas] (I'm in 1400x1050)
09:22:40[ lucas] + I don't see what's "compact" about it :)
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09:59:22[ Shoco] morning
10:02:31[ ana] Shoco: late
10:02:55[ Shoco] no
10:03:10[ ana] sí 
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10:03:55[ Shoco] Good morning kmap :)
10:04:12[ lucas] hi kmap 
10:04:13[ kmap] Shoco: Still Shoco? :-)
10:04:23[ kmap] Hi to all! :-)
10:05:21 * Shoco has very strong pain in the ridge, damn chairs :)
10:05:27[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1766 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: shortened sub bug counts, use DDPO acronyms
10:07:38[ lucas] Shoco: you should use workrave
10:07:51[ lucas] then we could all do exercices at the same time
10:07:57[ lucas] would be "interesting"
10:07:58[ ana] he has pain because he was playing frets on foire yesterday
10:08:03[ ana] fire*
10:08:13[ ana] and play that in the laptop is quite uncomfortable
10:09:01[ Shoco] lucas: Didn't know that tool but looks.. funny :)
10:09:25[ ana] Shoco: you use kde, so look at rsibreak
10:09:26[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1767 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: missing space (closes: #453764)
10:09:27[ Ganneff] do we start working on something or do we do random-nonsense chatting the whole day again? :)
10:09:49[ lucas] both, no?
10:10:05[ ana] Ganneff: process new, and i'll watch you
10:10:15[ lucas] and NM ;)
10:10:22[ ana] DAM
10:13:58[ godog] good mailman day
10:14:02[ lucas] DAMn
10:15:52[ Shoco] MEETING-INFO: Little MIA BOF: We have to define fixed intervals for checking people, discuss the new mia-tracker utils, discuss about statistics for non-DDs and how to get them
10:16:07[ Shoco] MEETING-INFO: On the table behind at 11:00
10:16:08[ ana] Shoco: stand up there and start talking
10:16:16[ ana] noo! let's do it here
10:16:19[ Ganneff] fixed? what for fixed?
10:16:44[ ana] Ganneff: update dak if you do not want to know
10:17:11[ Shoco] ana: k :P
10:19:32[ HE] Shoco: There is no table behin zack and godog.
10:20:05[ ana] it is a nice wall
10:20:56[ HE] ana: Yeah, ideal for a BOF
10:26:58[ h01ger] whats the best way to disable updatedb? exit 0 in /etc/cron.daily/find or is there a better way?
10:27:46[ dato] h01ger: yes, that. personally, I rm the file.
10:28:22[ dato] h01ger: oh, you're not en el salón. :)
10:31:13[ kmap] [OT] Sorry, but is ondrej around there?
10:31:14[ nutmeg] h01ger: apt-get --purge remove locate.
10:31:52 * kmap needs to talk to him about the QA of numpy, so not so OT. :-)
10:32:08[ dato] kmap: yes, thought not downstairs yet, it seems.
10:32:22[ kmap] dato: Thanks.
10:33:45[ godog] lucas: my PROP_RM #453458 got closed, how should update bapase status?
10:35:25[ lucas] there's probably something missing in bapase here
10:35:43[ lucas] you can just remove the lines from packages-actions.txt
10:35:57[ lucas] I'll add a SITUATION_OK tag or something later
10:36:02[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1768 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: Reorganized code, so that each block in the PTS page corresponds to a single template. This way, blocks reorganization should be much easier (and the corresponding diffs cleaner).
10:36:35[ godog] lucas: okay
10:37:00[ godog] lucas: would be fine to handle comment lines as well 
10:37:18[ lucas] ok, added to TODO
10:37:36[ godog] lucas: thanks, I am not into ruby otherwise I'd that myself 
10:38:12[ lucas] that's fine :)
10:38:58[ Shoco] helena:/home/mario# rpcinfo -p 172.16.1.130
10:38:58[ Shoco] rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
10:39:02[ Shoco] Hmm :)
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10:41:03[ Shoco] bad ana :(
10:41:08[ ana] O)
10:41:28[ KiBi] o< o< o<
10:41:42[ ana] _o/
10:41:45[ Shoco] Playing with "food" isn't nice
10:42:46[ Ganneff] if people want cookies - take them. (those in the yello, standing pack :) )
10:43:14 * ana hugs Ganneff, that is so nice!
10:43:26[ Ganneff] no cookies for ana, everyone is free to take them
10:43:31[ Ganneff] +else
10:43:34[ ana] yeah yeah
10:44:10[ KiBi] Shoco is still on his sit? 'Mpressive.
10:44:31[ ana] he slept there
10:45:37[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1769 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: remove duplicated latest news entry
10:46:12[ Shoco] ...
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10:46:25 * ana patpats Shoco 
10:50:45[ KiBi] dato: You probably want git-format-patch
10:51:47[ KiBi] dato: See http://git.madism.org/?p=madmutt.git;a=shortlog
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10:51:48[ tarzeau] Shoco: you rly ate all this chocolate the waiter took the empty tables away?
10:51:59[ ana] tarzeau: yes! he did
10:52:16[ tarzeau] what's the weight increase?
10:52:34[ KiBi] dato: http://git.madism.org/?p=madmutt.git;a=commit;h=4b2f5f58e6b8e65e8524596d16752f7f1e5d58ca <- MadCoder put my mail into his tree and I'm said to be the committer there.
10:52:46[ tarzeau] all energy not used is stored in form of fat, compressed into 1/3 of the original weight 
10:52:52[ tarzeau] (if it's already fat, it's stored one to one)
10:53:29[ tarzeau] Shoco: when we go into the snow you'll roll down like the pengaroos at www.mtp-target.org, haha
10:53:41[ tarzeau] Shoco-ball
10:55:50[ dato] (http://chistera.yi.org/~adeodato/blog/122_attribution_in_dvcs)
10:55:56[ dato] KiBi: thanks
10:59:42[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1770 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: anchor for identifying the news list from css
11:01:02[ KiBi] dato: one would probably use git-apply (or patch -p <), then commit using the --author option.
11:01:26[ KiBi] dato: (My patch was actually containing metadata, so that wasn't pertinent in this dicussion)
11:03:03[ dato] oh, it's also --author for git-commit.
11:03:53 * dato amends.
11:05:32[ pusling] tarzeau: you orphaned donkey bolonkey! you can't.
11:06:01[ tarzeau] pusling: haha why? i finished all levels, i rescued them all
11:06:31[ tarzeau] pusling: hey soon you got MUCH better new games
11:06:38 * Shoco looks to tarzeau "Haesch Guetzli?"
11:06:41[ tarzeau] pusling: a snowball throwing 3d game where you are a GNU
11:06:56[ tarzeau] Shoco: jo klar, huet isch weder party im lokal (vor-samichlaus-fresstreff)
11:07:15[ tarzeau] Shoco: und mandarinli, nuessli, energydrinks, alles billig und in masse :)
11:07:19[ tarzeau] Shoco: chunsch au mal?
11:07:57[ tarzeau] pusling: take it?
11:08:50 * pusling can't rescue all donkeys, so can never get rid of it. 
11:09:09[ h01ger] nutmeg, its part of findutils, which i'd like to keep
11:09:11[ tarzeau] pusling: it's not so hard, and since there's the source, you can patch it for level jumps :)
11:09:23[ tarzeau] pusling: btw have you tried Ninjah yet? sooooo addictive, i'm stuck in 19
11:09:47[ nutmeg] h01ger: Not anymore in sid. ;-)
11:10:25[ h01ger] nutmeg, well, nice to know but i like to keep my servers on etch (and/or upgrade them to etch FWIW ;)
11:10:35[ Shoco] tarzeau: hehe :)
11:10:58[ nutmeg] h01ger: Both exit 0 or simply rm will work.
11:11:40[ tarzeau] "the beta map" impossible to finish without slow-mo
11:11:49[ tarzeau] http://www.evildrbin.com/ninjah/
11:14:12[ pusling] tarzeau: nope. haven't tried a new game since I got thru hex-a-hop. I try to stay away from games in general .. too addictive ;)
11:14:28[ Shoco] ana: Come to the table :P
11:15:01[ tarzeau] pusling: were you able to finish the last level in hex-a-hop? i made it up there but never was able to finish the one
11:15:24[ tarzeau] pusling: you MUST try ninjah, it's so cool
11:15:32[ pusling] tarzeau: I finished all levels, yes. not all of them at par or better, but more than half of them at par or better
11:16:25[ h01ger] nutmeg, i asked for best practice ;-) </nitpicking>
11:16:40[ lucas] [SCHEDULE] BOF about MIA, NOW!!
11:16:43[ ana] MIA BOF STARTTING
11:16:48[ lucas] STOP SHOUTING
11:16:53[ KiBi] YES, PLEASE
11:17:01[ ana] UU
11:17:05[ h01ger] whois MIA
11:17:08[ KiBi] ÜÜ
11:17:38[ h01ger] bubulle?
11:17:56[ HE] h01ger: YOU ARE
11:18:15[ h01ger] HE, can you read my mind?
11:18:59[ HE] h01ger: Yeah, I'm a mind-reader
11:19:02[ dato] it's a prerrequisite for DPL
11:19:21[ HE] h01ger: I needed to learn it
11:19:34[ HE] h01ger: To find out what god kills little kittens for
11:19:50[ KiBi] dato: No, that's a consequence, actually.
11:19:57[ KiBi] Visible from the middle of the term.
11:20:01[ dato] point
11:20:14 * KiBi notes it looks like sam is still alive.
11:20:45[ dato] Ganneff: btw, if you get stuck, bzr 1.0~rc in unstable has really good documentation under /usr/share/doc
11:26:29[ Ganneff] k
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11:37:23[ KiBi] Someone knows who is maintaining the edos(.debian.net) pages?
11:37:42[ godog] KiBi: ralf treinen AFAIK
11:37:55[ KiBi] godog: ok, thanks.
11:38:19[ HE] KiBi: Yeah, Ralf is doing it on of our (as in zobel+aba+me) machines
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11:48:16[ liw] good morning
11:49:00[ bzed] guten morgen liw :)
11:52:18[ Ganneff] paravoid: and i should trust the snippet of paper i had here on my laptop is really from you?
11:52:25[ Ganneff] it was here minutes without anyone watching it!
11:53:19[ godog] gpg-sign it
11:55:40[ liw] oh yeah, gpg signing
11:55:46[ KiBi] HE: Are givebacks versioned?
11:56:19[ HE] KiBi: Eh, yes
11:56:47[ KiBi] Perfect.
11:57:12[ HE] KiBi:  sudo -u wanna-build wanna-build --database=amd64/build-db --dist etch-bpo --user xenophanes --give-back util-vserver_0.30.214-5~bpo40+2 is a typical give-back command to wanna-build
11:57:26[ HE] [Well, without the sudo -u and stuff, but still]
11:57:44[ KiBi] ok, concentrating on unstable for now.
11:57:49[ KiBi] (+ but)
11:58:24[ HE] Sure, just pasted the last thing matching on give-back in my history on wanna-build.farm.ftbfs.de :)
11:59:04[ Ganneff] # <Omnic> elmo wrote docs?!!?!?!?!?!?!                                                                                                                                                                    
11:59:06[ Ganneff] # <aj> as if he wasn't scary enough before!!                                                                                                                                                              
11:59:06[ Ganneff] # * aj imagines a little red furry toy sitting hunched over a computer                                                                                                                                    
11:59:06[ Ganneff] #   tapping furiously and giggling to himself                                                                                                                                                             
11:59:06[ Ganneff] # <aj> eventually he stops, and his heads slowly spins around and you                                                                                                                                     
11:59:06[ Ganneff] #      see this really evil grin and then he sees you, and picks up a                                                                                                                                     
11:59:06[ Ganneff] #      knife from beside the keyboard and throws it at you, and as you                                                                                                                                    
11:59:06[ Ganneff] #      breathe your last breath, he starts giggling again                                                                                                                                                 
11:59:06[ Ganneff] # <aj> but i should be telling this to my psychiatrist, not you guys,                                                                                                                                     
11:59:06[ Ganneff] #      right? :) 
11:59:14[ Ganneff] (yiiiiks, broken linebreak).
11:59:24[ Ganneff] found in the code that does NEW package check
12:02:59[ KiBi] cek: 've just taken more photographs for you.
12:03:04[ KiBi] cek: Too bad you're missing ;)
12:03:10[ dato] dak is full of such comments
12:08:00[ Ganneff] yes
12:08:06 * h01ger lols at ajs comments
12:08:12[ Ganneff] anybody know offhand a package using lintian overrides?
12:08:16[ h01ger] olsrd
12:08:46[ dato] minirok
12:08:52[ nutmeg] exim4
12:09:20[ h01ger] zack, those little envelopes look nice on the pts
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12:09:26[ h01ger] zack++ continues :)
12:09:34[ zack] h01ger: almost over actually :-P
12:09:44[ h01ger] OH NOES
12:09:57[ zack] while we are at it, guys have a look at http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog/posts/2007/12/pts_face_lift.html (soon on planet)
12:10:01[ zack] comments are welcome
12:10:03[ zack] buxy: ^^^
12:10:24[ zack] and actually also MadCoder, since I've implemented his layout proposal
12:12:02[ KiBi] zack: Now you want to update the copyright years & holders. :-)
12:12:28[ h01ger] Ganneff, if you're talking to me, please speak up.
12:12:28[ ondrej] zack: yeah, looks very good!
12:12:31[ zack] KiBi: already did that, but only in my wc
12:12:31[ h01ger] dont be so shy!
12:12:48[ KiBi] zack: okay :)
12:12:54[ liw] zack, I hate the 3-column layout -- my screen is small, and things will not fit without either maximizing, sideways scrolling, or making very narrow (and difficult-to-read) columns
12:13:15[ pusling] liw: 640x480 ?
12:13:23[ liw] pusling, no
12:13:26[ zack] liw: ack, but actually a lot of people is asking for it, I guess we will go for a majority criterion or something such
12:13:39[ pusling] zack: but is it just different stylesheets ?
12:14:21[ MadCoder] zack: no need to say I like the 3rd one better
12:14:59[ pusling] if it is just stylesheets, I_hope you ship all of them - but iti s the default you need to get decided, right ?
12:15:46[ zack] pusling: no, the 3 cols layout is actually block reorganization, and since the layout it's still table based you need to change the actual page generation
12:15:54[ pusling] okay.
12:16:07[ KiBi] I guess it's possible to put a cookie somewhere if you want another one in a permanent fashion?
12:16:08[ zack] pusling: there's an open bug for switching to a css-only rendering ...
12:16:11[ h01ger] pusling, actually i think the pts should look good with 800x600 at least. you've heard about these new toys called PDAs? 
12:16:14[ KiBi] oh, ok
12:16:23[ zack] KiBi: no way, PTS pages are statical and the should remain such
12:16:27[ pusling] h01ger: what's a pda ? ;)
12:16:36[ ana] who can add me to the mia alias?
12:16:45[ KiBi] zack: Isn't it possible to put some javascript thingy?
12:17:01[ pusling] yeah. javascript magic should be able to do something ;)
12:17:01[ zack] KiBi: yes, but it won't be persistent
12:17:03[ KiBi] But anyway, since the layout changes, there's no point.
12:17:08[ KiBi] ack
12:17:31[ h01ger] pusling, public display of affection. ask Ganneff if you want to know more :)
12:17:53[ liw] good browsers allow switching between available stylesheets on a page, it's true
12:18:30[ pusling] zack: at least switching to the compact stylesnheet as default colud be acceptable ;)
12:19:07[ lucas] there's an ephy extension for that
12:19:26[ h01ger] isnt that even a css feature?
12:19:51[ liw] amaya wants to be the center of attention
12:23:28[ ana] liw: yes
12:24:02[ liw] ana, si si
12:24:15[ Ganneff] someone want a cookie?
12:25:17[ pusling] .o/
12:25:20[ liw] Ganneff, want, yes, can eat, no :(
12:25:31 * ana comforts liw
12:25:41[ liw] the supermarket might have something I could have for breakfast, I guess
12:25:47[ Ganneff] liw: as im curious - why? (if you want to say it)
12:26:00[ liw] Ganneff, cookies contain sugar, I can't eat sugar
12:26:38[ lucas] how do one use scp or rsync with files that contain a ':' ?
12:27:32[ liw] lucas, does ./foo:bar help? or 'foo\:bar'?
12:27:43[ KiBi] liw: no
12:27:52[ KiBi] At least not the latter.
12:28:09[ KiBi] liw: yes, the former.
12:28:10[ lucas] ./ works
12:28:15[ lucas] thank you
12:28:21[ KiBi] You slashdotter.
12:28:32[ dato] dotslasher
12:28:33[ lucas] dotslasher
12:28:53[ KiBi] The point goes to dato.
12:29:00[ dato] \o/
12:34:19[ zack] liw: try this: http://www.bononia.it/~zack/stalla/bash.html
12:35:35[ liw] zack, it's not intolerably narrow, and at least I get to see the entire width of the page, meaning I don't miss info
12:35:46[ liw] zack, also, unlike wiki.d.o, text doesn't overlap with itself :)
12:36:02[ liw] zack, come over if you want to see
12:36:07[ zack] liw: what a polite way of saying "I can stand it, but nothing more than that" :-)
12:36:09[ godog] is mailing to login@merkel.debian.org supposed to be working or some action is required?
12:37:00[ dato] godog: it should work, and that mail should end in your forwarding address, ttbomk
12:37:04[ liw] zack, more or less :)
12:37:20[ godog] dato: hah, thanks, I saw some mboxes on /var/mail/
12:37:42[ dato] godog: for local mail, I *think* you need a .forward or .procmailrc file
12:39:31[ Shoco] When will we have our keysigning party?
12:39:36[ lucas] good question
12:39:42[ lucas] is everybody ready to have the KSP ?
12:39:49[ KiBi] When amaya comes.
12:39:51[ Shoco] more or less :)
12:39:54[ KiBi] Oh, wait, she's here!
12:40:04[ Shoco] no, she's leaving :)
12:40:05[ KiBi] And she goes out again! zomg
12:40:09[ h01ger] lucas, i would prefer after lunch
12:40:21[ lucas] ok, after lunch and the merida visit, then
12:40:23 * h01ger tries to get something done and i get interrupted every 3min
12:40:35[ lucas] this way, we could lose some people during the visit
12:40:39[ lucas] less key signing to do
12:40:49[ godog] dato: confirmed
12:40:58[ Shoco] cek: What do you think about it?
12:41:02[ dato] godog: very well
12:41:10[ godog] dato: thanks :)
12:41:20[ dato] :)
12:41:54[ KiBi] cek: Shipped along with my laptop.
12:42:07[ cek] Shoco, about what?
12:42:28[ Shoco] cek: About the time for keysigning?
12:42:34[ h01ger] Ganneff, btw, did you look at my lintian overrides for olsrd-plugins? i believe they are sensible as those plugins are+will only (be) used by olsrd, but i'm a libary n00b, so i'd appreciate someone knowledgables comment
12:42:45[ cek] ohhhh, whenever you want. I won't participate sorry
12:42:52[ cek] I don't have my Key here...
12:43:01[ Shoco] it's lucas decision :)
12:43:25[ lucas] cek: you don't need your key
12:43:29[ pusling] you shouldn't have you key around wdhile doing keysinging anyway
12:43:30[ lucas] cek: only your fingerprint
12:43:40[ lucas] (+ID)
12:43:50[ cek] lol, ok, I will sign your keys at home
12:43:57[ cek] let me print the fingerprint
12:44:00[ lucas] everybody is doing that
12:44:16[ godog] cek: did you configured the printer?
12:44:31[ cek] I didn't do it, but someone did :)
12:44:37[ cek] take a look at the topic :P
12:45:23[ lucas] [HEADS UP] Keysigning after lunch + merida visit. Please be prepared! (ie print stuff if needed)
12:45:24[ godog] yeah if someone with printer configured would print http://people.debian.org/~filippo/fg_key.ps I would be grateful, I can offer candies
12:45:47[ dato] godog: coloured ones? :)
12:45:54[ godog] dato: of course, we got reds
12:45:55[ KiBi] Coloured fingerprints?
12:46:26[ Ganneff] h01ger: well. i just took it as an example... :)
12:46:49[ h01ger] Ganneff, ack. +np
12:47:15[ cek] we can maybe do the signing party after sightseeing?
12:48:01[ Ganneff] sightWHAT? we have to walk today?
12:48:03[ Ganneff] :)
12:48:25[ KiBi] Last mail on -devel is saying MIA is MIA, heh :)
12:50:45[ cek] Ganneff, we can hire a burrotaxi :)
12:51:28 * h01ger grins if burro is what i think
12:51:38[ dato] hehe
12:51:52[ cek] sorry, I am eating all the upstream bandwidth
12:52:00[ h01ger] pobre burro
12:52:11[ h01ger] cek, ah. i already wondered 
12:52:11[ cek] I need 3 minutes more to upload the pics
12:52:17[ h01ger] p0rn
12:52:30[ cek] yeah, zoophilia with the burro
12:54:24[ HE] zack: I like layout proposal 3, FWIW
12:56:56[ zack] HE: tnx
12:57:56[ Shoco] Can anyone of the spanish-speaking people go to the frontdesk and ask for scissors? :) (to cut the keystripes)
12:58:16[ KiBi] lucas: thanks
12:58:51[ Ganneff] now, whats burro?
12:59:05[ cek] Shoco, it is easy. "Unas tijeras, por favor"
12:59:07[ ana] donkey
12:59:18[ ana] cek: estijeras :-P
12:59:20[ Ganneff] zack: me likes layout 3 too.
12:59:30 * Shoco smiles to ana
12:59:35[ cek] ana, estijeras is in Andalucian...
12:59:50[ h01ger] Ganneff, apt-get install i2e
13:00:01[ zack] Ganneff: k
13:01:08[ ana] zack: +1 to option 3
13:01:27[ zack] liw: a good example of rough consensus :)
13:01:33[ dato] zack: heh
13:01:35[ liw] zack, si! si!
13:07:13[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1771 /trunk/pts/README: add myself to the contributors list, patched filippo email upon his request
13:07:41[ pusling] MIA went MIA
13:07:54 * ana gags pusling 
13:08:39[ pusling] it is just a quote from -devel
13:09:01[ ana] pusling: you can not talk
13:09:22[ liw] mmm... nuts
13:10:14[ pusling] *mumble*
13:10:21[ liw] if anyone else wants nuts, I'm happy to share
13:12:13[ h01ger] ana, if you want to gag people, please go to #debian-bondage
13:12:43[ ana] h01ger: O_o
13:12:44[ liw] h01ger, you tease
13:12:53[ KiBi] ana: you strip
13:13:07[ liw] KiBi, hmph
13:13:26[ KiBi] liw: crmpfh
13:14:22[ h01ger] liw, you're nuts
13:14:43[ liw] h01ger, por favor
13:14:56[ h01ger] lucas, is there a way to look at individual logfiles of your piuparts run without downloading 300mb?
13:15:09[ h01ger] i dont want everyone to go nuts. i rather keep them in this corner
13:15:29[ lucas] h01ger: tar tzf *.tgz ; tar xzf *.tgz logfileyouwant
13:15:31[ lucas] ? ;)
13:15:45[ liw] h01ger, download them to piatti, unpack there?
13:16:15[ lucas] ok, I'm going to try to prepare the d-d-a email
13:16:22[ lucas] someone want to help me?
13:16:38[ liw] lucas, about what?
13:16:44[ lucas] the meeting
13:17:01[ liw] h01ger, in fact, unpacking them on piatti and making them available individually over http would be great, if you have the time
13:17:06[ liw] lucas, ah, good point
13:17:17[ liw] lucas, I could help with my part at least
13:17:28[ liw] lucas, although I think I have something to discuss with dato and zack first
13:17:31[ Shoco] amaya: ping?
13:17:43[ liw] dato, zack: should we continue from last night?
13:17:48[ zack] liw: yep
13:18:22[ Ganneff] hrm. to really support utf8 in mails sent by dak i need to add two header lines to show that the body is utf8. but thats not the complete fix, i need to also have it parse the maintainers name and maybe subject too to see if there is utf8 in.
13:18:31[ Ganneff] brrr, thats a large change
13:18:54[ zack] liw: 5 minuts to check a bug in the lowthresh showing
13:19:01[ liw] zack, ack
13:19:09[ h01ger] lucas, right. i have ssh access to that machine. and to others. guess i need more coffee...
13:19:15 * h01ger goes in his corner
13:19:44[ liw] Ganneff, so that you can use charset=us-ascii when the name does not require utf8? if so, I'm not sure that's worth worrying about
13:20:20[ liw] Ganneff, if you want to make it technically always correct, include your name in the e-mails written as Jörg? :)
13:20:20[ Ganneff] liw: no, so that i can set utf8 if it is required. iirc headers like subject or from need an encoding seperate to that of the body
13:20:35[ h01ger] liw, i rather continue to prepare stuff for pts integration.. (than have another little thing to do. too many of those alreadxy)
13:20:39[ liw] Ganneff, good point, they do; what is it written in?
13:20:51[ pusling] pascal
13:20:51[ Ganneff] python
13:20:56[ liw] h01ger, sure, go ahead
13:21:04[ Q_] I don't think the subject is going to be a problem?
13:21:09[ liw] Ganneff, python has a standard library module to do the subject encoding
13:21:26[ pusling] we need utf8-encoded package names.
13:21:28[ Ganneff] its just that it simply uses a template subst routine to substitue values in textfiles which it then simply passes to sendmail
13:22:02[ Ganneff] so i probably need to - add the header lines to the templates *AND* fix the subst routine to specifically look for to/subject/cc headers and encode them
13:22:34[ Q_] I can now properly read what's in From
13:22:42[ Q_] It already has things like this in it: From: =?utf-8?q?Adeodato_Sim=C3=B3?= <dato@net.com.org.es>
13:23:31[ kink] is that "Svnbuildstat" link on the PTS new? It doesn't seem to do anything for all packages I maintain
13:23:34[ Ganneff] ah. so only body then.
13:23:59[ Ganneff] Q_: as you seem to have a maill near you with it - the body isnt encoded yet, right?
13:24:34[ Q_] Ganneff: No, nothing for the body.
13:25:05[ Ganneff] so i need to add two-lines after subject and before body starts only. that should be a simple fix.
13:25:16 * KiBi mima a amaya
13:25:33[ Ganneff] i dont see why i shouldnt always assume "its utf8", does anyone here? i mean - we should encode utf8, and for those that dont need to its ascii
13:26:27[ Q_] Ganneff: I think that people who's MUA don't support UTF-8 should get one that does.
13:27:37[ liw] Ganneff, always assuming utf8 is ok
13:27:52[ liw] every mua needs to support utf8 these days...
13:28:11[ Ganneff] liw: tell that to JS, he doesnt even know iso8859-1 :)
13:28:18[ Ganneff] (but uses it)
13:28:27[ liw] Ganneff, the other Jörg?
13:28:49[ Ganneff] yes
13:28:50[ Ganneff] the bad one
13:28:55[ KiBi] aha, JS's encoding, nice topic.
13:31:42[ Ganneff] actually - am i ok with just one line of "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8"?
13:32:02[ Ganneff] mails i seem to have in utf8 here seem to be mime mails, so not helpful
13:32:19[ liw] Ganneff, no, the MIME-Version line is mandatory, otherwise the Content-Type is not necessarily parsed at all
13:32:32[ liw] Content-Type is part of the MIME specification
13:32:50[ Ganneff] k
13:33:23[ godog] bzed: do you mind printing http://people.debian.org/~filippo/fg_key.ps ? thanks
13:33:33[ Q_] Does it also need a "Content-Disposition: inline"?
13:33:46[ Ganneff] liw: what about this set:
13:33:46[ Ganneff] MIME-Version: 1.0
13:33:46[ Ganneff] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
13:33:46[ Ganneff] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
13:34:17[ liw] Ganneff, perfecto
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13:34:35[ Ganneff] great. lets add it to all dozen templates and hand the patch to the masters
13:34:45[ Ganneff] (good god, how i hate that i cant change directly)
13:35:46[ liw] zack, you're still debugging pts?
13:36:00[ zack] liw: yeah :(
13:36:05[ zack] people is reporting bugs on -devel
13:36:37[ liw] zack, ok, I'll wait and continue editing my DRAFT of DEP0 :)
13:36:48[ zack] ok, tnx
13:38:15[ Q_] How about an "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed"?
13:38:44[ Ganneff] Q_: dak doesnt do that, so it would only be true for a small subset of the templates
13:38:46[ Shoco] h01ger: coffe & cig? :)
13:38:55[ Ganneff] Q_: i want to have the patch as simple as possible, it has to pass those ftpmasters...
13:38:55[ Q_] Ganneff: Right.
13:39:05[ Shoco] and pre-ksp-keysigning :)
13:39:09[ Ganneff] Q_: so it now means "add the same 3 lines everywhere in the templates"
13:39:23[ h01ger] Shoco, cig
13:39:26[ h01ger] soonish
13:42:02[ luk] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQATools
13:42:20[ Shoco] Look at it! luk is depressed otherwise
13:42:32 * HE looks
13:42:44[ liw] luk, looks good to me
13:42:58[ liw] luk, do you link to that page from the qa.debian.org wikipage?
13:44:09[ luk] no
13:44:27[ dato] liw, zack, yes. sorry, I was without network and I didn't see your ping.
13:44:43[ liw] dato, we noticed, no worries, zack is busy anyway
13:45:29[ dato] ok
13:45:40[ dato] ping me when appropriate
13:45:55[ liw] dato, will do
13:45:58[ HE] zack looks like he is actually working. Could we change that?
13:46:10[ zack] HE: :-P
13:46:57[ liw] HE, no, I don't think that would be a good idea
13:47:32[ liw] HE, because then I would have to get up and go away from my nuts, leaving them unprotected among a group of people unashamed to eat other people's food
13:48:53[ bzed] godog: have a look into the printer
13:49:07[ godog] bzed: \o/
13:49:45[ HE] liw: Take your nuts with them
13:49:49[ HE] s/them/you/
13:50:02[ liw] HE, nah, that would mean I eat more of them, and I'm maxed out right now
13:51:08[ liw] lunch is at 14?
13:52:03[ godog] bzed: thanks
13:52:11[ bzed] godog: you're welcomne
13:52:27[ HE] liw: That would be soonish. Na, I don't think so
13:52:45[ HE] liw: Usually lunch is near when waiters start issuing bread
13:52:59[ liw] HE, yeah
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13:53:26[ liw] zack, I'd like to have our discussion before lunch, especially if there's Roman ruins after lunch
13:53:53[ zack] liw: roman ruins? i didn't know that ...
13:53:59[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1772 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: fix .orig anchor for native debian packages
13:54:07[ zack] anyhow, as you can see by the commit :), I'm almost done
13:54:23[ liw] zack, cool
13:57:25[ zack] liw: I'm ready
14:04:16[ liw] zack, in a minute...
14:06:56[ liw] ok, I am ready now
14:07:29[ zack] bzed: do you mind printing http://www.bononia.it/~zack/stalla/zack.ps ? :-)
14:08:31[ bzed] zack: go to the printer now :P
14:08:44[ zack] bzed: tnx!
14:08:50[ HE] QA activities have stopped, people are busy doing keysigning
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14:10:47[ Ganneff] im hungry
14:11:24[ godog] Ganneff: there's some food smell tho
14:12:04[ Ganneff] like fish
14:12:06[ Ganneff] wäh
14:13:04 * pusling just got pizaz
14:17:22[ Ganneff] /topic HUNGRY
14:22:49[ HE] liw: Lars, I still need to sign you, speak up when you have free time :)
14:23:02[ h01ger] is lunch canceled today?
14:23:09[ h01ger] or was it before the keysigning?
14:23:14[ HE] h01ger: Yeah, Ganneff ate too much yesterday
14:23:14[ Ganneff] luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunch
14:27:48[ lucas] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007/Report
14:27:51[ lucas] please help with the report!!
14:27:54[ lucas] !!!
14:29:00[ HE] !!!!11
14:29:53[ godog] !1one
14:31:26[ pusling] !1eleven
14:33:05[ h01ger] food, mañana?
14:35:21[ liw] http://pieni.net/u/liw/dep.txt -- we would like to have feedback of this today, from any interested people, perhaps as a short bof right now?
14:35:30[ godog] bread!
14:36:23[ h01ger] breeeaaaad!
14:36:29[ h01ger] my preeeecious!!!
14:37:41[ h01ger] liw, zack, dato: wonderfull!
14:37:48[ h01ger] r0ck!
14:41:53[ buxy] zack: I like both new layouts
14:42:01[ zack] buxy: ack, tnx
14:43:01[ godog] liw, zack, dato: about the last part of the document I would rather use a new number making it explicit that it refers to the old one, just for comparison, think of RFC Obsoletes: 
14:43:19[ h01ger] does someone want cacert assurance from me? 
14:43:30[ h01ger] or can i close that browser window? :)
14:43:45[ KiBi] FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
14:43:56[ Ganneff] LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH
15:46:47[ liw] lunch is no more
15:46:55[ Ganneff] bad liw
15:47:00[ Ganneff] kills our lunch
15:47:05[ Ganneff] how could you
15:47:32[ liw] godog, that's a possibility, certainly; we thought it would be clearer this way, but I'm ok with changing it, it's not an important point, I think
15:48:16[ godog] liw: indeed not, just a quick thought
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16:33:32[ kmap] lucas: Why is the file 299 MB! :-(
16:33:49[ kmap] lucas: Maybe you should have bzip2ed it.
16:34:00[ h01ger] because he is used to good connections
16:34:10[ kmap] Anyway, I'll get it in ~5 hours, hopefully...
16:34:11[ h01ger] i doubt that bzip2 would make a diff
16:34:24[ h01ger] kmap, are you interested in a single file or two?
16:34:27[ kmap] But luk made it much smaller earlier, ~65 MB
16:34:45[ kmap] h01ger: Well, ewither is OK
16:35:07[ h01ger] what was the url?
16:35:31[ h01ger] found it
16:35:56[ kmap] h01ger: Thanks
16:36:05[ kmap] h01ger: It's OK, I'm downloading it already...
16:36:18[ kmap] h01ger: But if you can get a smaller file, it'd be better. :-)
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17:30:07[ h01ger] kmap, http://people.debian.org/~holger/ - 80mb only
17:30:10[ h01ger] lucas, ^
17:30:16[ kmap] h01ger: Thanks! :-)
17:30:22[ kmap] Ctrl+C Lucas' file! :-p
17:31:09 * h01ger didnt expect so much space saving
17:31:16[ kmap] h01ger: Thanks!
17:31:23 * kmap is downloading h01ger's file...
17:32:12[ kmap] There's something in Burrows Wheeler...
17:32:38[ kmap] Which makes it remarkably better than gzip sometimes.
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18:33:24[ Ganneff] h01ger: what did you and amaya do while we have been walking around? we come back and the netrwork is VERY bad
18:33:30[ Ganneff] it was good before we left you alone
18:33:36[ Ganneff] so it must be you!!1
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18:35:39[ h01ger] Ganneff, it will be better soon, once our p0rn download is finished. only 73G to go...
18:37:24[ KiBi] o<
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18:38:12[ KiBi] [ATTENTION PLEASE] People interested in pictures: You just need to plug my USB device into your computer, and use USB mass storage.
18:38:30[ KiBi] Just ask, and take them (which are probably mostly boring, but I've been asked to provide them…)
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18:53:33[ godog] KiBi: what about setting up webfsd?
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18:55:06[ KiBi] godog: Just trying to limit the bandwidth saturation.
18:56:15[ godog] KiBi: point
18:57:17[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1773 /trunk/pts/www/ (bin/other_to_xml.py bin/sources_to_xml.py xsl/pts.xsl): 
18:57:17[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: Moved implementation of lowThresholdNMU out of sources_to_xml; the previous
18:57:17[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: implementation was bound to the timestamping of sources and hence would have
18:57:17[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: quickly become out of date wrt the wiki page. Being now in other_to_xml the
18:57:17[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: lownmu stamp can be updated independetly from sources.
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18:57:50[ liw] hmm... it strikes me that cron is proof that Debian *already* has a mark-ocracy
18:58:07[ ana] liw: uhm?
18:58:19[ HE] KiBi: The photos from yesterday are on another card?
18:58:20[ liw] it keeps writing "--- MARK ---"
18:59:17[ KiBi] HE: On my laptop.
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19:09:21[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1774 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: - add showing of upstream homepage (i.e. "Homepage:" field) when available
19:09:27[ zack] h01ger: ^^
19:12:06[ KiBi] Ganneff: HE: /~kibi/photos on 172.16.1.101
19:12:18[ Ganneff] removing packages++
19:13:48[ HE] KiBi: Fetching, but either your or my WLAN connection is slooooow
19:15:16[ liw] I have a usb stick you could use for transfers, if that helps
19:15:27[ KiBi] HE: Transfering again.
19:18:00[ KiBi] Ganneff: Waiting for getting the device again, and then looking at a hackgotchi for ohglre.
19:18:07[ KiBi] +er
19:18:11[ Ganneff] great
19:18:36[ Shoco] .o0(The bathtub is comfortable)
19:20:38[ liw] dato, zack: should we try again to discuss DEP here, or is it time to start showing it to other people?
19:21:19[ liw] dato, zack: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/dep/ seems to be free
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19:21:21[ zack] let's see, I've received comments here only from godog and h01ger
19:21:39[ zack] let's post again a url of the proposal here and the go for -project I would say
19:21:41[ liw] http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-proposal/ is free as well
19:21:49[ liw] zack, ack
19:21:55[ KiBi] Ganneff: Then poke HE which is blocking it w/o using it.
19:22:23[ zack] liw: I think dato prefers "dep"
19:22:23[ liw] http://pieni.net/u/liw/dep.txt -- we would like comments on this draft, in real life, on irc, or via e-mail, as you wish
19:22:42[ Ganneff] people: eat cookies, i wont carry them to germany!
19:22:53[ zack] foooooooooolks, please have a look at liw's SPAM :)
19:23:30[ liw] zack, ist doch nicht SPAM! ist Panzerwagen! und Schokladenschnitzel!
19:23:48[ zack] liw: soccia, c'hai proprio ragione
19:24:02[ dato] [=======================      http://pieni.net/u/liw/dep.txt                  ==================================]
19:24:23[ godog] liw: do you cut and paste those long words?
19:24:35[ liw] godog, nope, I touch type
19:24:48[ godog] liw: how nice
19:24:52[ liw] zack, you're going to teach me Italian, right? :)
19:25:04[ zack] liw: actually, bolognese
19:25:15[ zack] but only after I've got my domain :-P
19:25:24[ liw] zack, si, si, domain
19:25:48[ Ganneff] liw: interesting draft.
19:26:11[ Ganneff] liw: .o(may we discuss it to dead or should we follow the dep protocol for the dep draft? :)
19:26:25[ dato] Ganneff: heh
19:26:46[ liw] Ganneff, :)
19:28:02[ liw] Ganneff, do you see any problems with the draft?
19:28:37[ HE] KiBi: Your camera is broken!
19:28:37[ liw] (I'm interpreting "interesting" as a good thing, fwiw :)
19:28:40[ HE] KiBi: We all look fat!
19:28:59[ liw] HE, it's called a "wine belly"
19:30:17[ HE] liw: Pfff
19:32:14[ lucas] would people like to have a "how to make QA sexy? how to attract new contributors to QA?" BOF
19:32:27[ ana] starting with the website?
19:32:29[ Shoco] yes
19:32:32[ liw] lucas, yeah
19:32:37[ ana] let's trry then
19:32:41[ lucas] erm
19:32:43[ ana] round table?
19:32:44[ lucas] not an IRC BOF
19:32:45[ lucas] :)
19:32:49[ Shoco] yes round table :D
19:32:56[ liw] not hotel lobby?
19:33:04[ ana] too much noise
19:33:06[ lucas] is lobby quiet now?
19:33:08[ Shoco] Hmmm, cafeteria would be funny
19:33:09[ liw] fair enough
19:33:10[ Shoco] with a beer
19:33:11[ Shoco] :)
19:33:12[ dato] HE: pfff?
19:33:22[ Shoco] HE = "Hopefully elected"
19:33:23[ lucas] how noisy is it?
19:33:49[ liw] h01ger says is't fairly quiet
19:33:55 * lucas is french, /me don't understande anglish veri vel
19:34:16[ liw] 4 people in the bar or so
19:34:24[ Shoco] liw: Herbfrisches Weissbier gebraut nach dem Reinheitsgebot :)
19:34:54[ h01ger] Shoco, you sound like liw
19:35:08[ Shoco] h01ger: I teach him german? :P
19:35:33[ Shoco] KiBi: Do you have me the link to the pics too? :)
19:36:03[ h01ger] zack, the homepage field is not yet active on p.q.d.o, or is it? it doesnt show olsrds homepage
19:36:19[ zack] no, pages haven't been rebuilt yet
19:36:41[ h01ger] KiBi, cant you start a webserver on your laptop?
19:36:49[ h01ger] zack, ah, ok
19:36:58[ Ganneff] liw: not offhand, but i only read it very fast
19:38:01[ KiBi] h01ger: NO
19:38:05[ KiBi] Shoco: Go and grab them.
19:38:11[ KiBi] h01ger: Same.
19:39:21[ h01ger] KiBi, can you throw it over? :)
19:39:46[ KiBi] There you go.
19:40:07[ KiBi] h01ger: One is mostly full, the other one isn't.
19:40:11[ Ganneff] cek_: ping. where are you?
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19:40:27[ h01ger] KiBi, we're behind the schedule. we need to publish another loldebian today. this is not acceptable
19:40:28[ KiBi] Ganneff: Same table.
19:40:37[ h01ger] Ganneff, move your head to the left
19:40:43[ h01ger] Ganneff, then look straight
19:40:48[ h01ger] Ganneff, move your head to the right
19:40:51[ h01ger] its easy
19:40:52[ KiBi] h01ger: And then behind?
19:41:12[ h01ger] KiBi, no. you really need to learn a lot
19:44:22 * KiBi is a mere NM, you know? :)
19:45:47[ h01ger] that explains a lot. obviously you havent finished T&S yet
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20:15:50[ KiBi] Ganneff: Speaking of being slow, what about DAM processing? O:-)
20:16:12[ Ganneff] what processing?
20:16:22[ Ganneff] i do not understand you
20:16:23[ Ganneff] lalala
20:16:25[ Ganneff] not reading it
20:16:28[ Ganneff] not listening
20:16:29[ Ganneff] lalala
20:16:30[ Ganneff] :)
20:16:32[ KiBi] Please stop singing.
20:16:48[ Ganneff] you would be deaf if i would start it.
20:17:04[ Ganneff] no headphones help there
20:17:24[ bzed] KiBi: du you upload your photos somewhere when you're back at home again?
20:17:27[ KiBi] That connection is slow as hell.
20:17:49[ KiBi] bzed: Yes.
20:17:51[ Ganneff] bzed: he has them on a chip here, if you have usb you can have them here.
20:17:53[ KiBi] In two or three days.
20:19:19[ bzed] sounds good, too
20:19:22[ bzed] although
20:19:35[ bzed] I'm lazy now :P
20:19:44[ Ganneff] now?
20:20:46[ KiBi] Ganneff: Done.
20:20:47[ KiBi] amaya: Thanks.
20:21:10[ KiBi] bzed: Feel free, both cards are on the table.
20:21:11[ bzed] Ganneff: no. a minute ago and next minute. not yet.
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20:35:14[ liw] dato, are we there yet? can we bribe someone to make the alioth repo happen faster?
20:35:37[ Ganneff] si
20:35:41[ Ganneff] one alioth admin.#
20:35:44[ Ganneff] whcih repo?
20:35:57[ dato] "dep"
20:36:02[ dato] er
20:36:14[ dato] Ganneff: project, not repo
20:36:39[ liw] er, right, project, not repo, mea culpa
20:37:04[ dato] alioth not responding to me (trying to register the project)
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20:37:47[ Ganneff] wait. not already registered?
20:37:50[ Ganneff] FAST
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20:42:42[ KiBi] bz	Are you done, yet?
20:43:44[ buxy] Ganneff: were you planning to bribe sgran or me ? :)
20:44:00[ Shoco] KiBi: and where can i "grab" them?
20:44:19[ Ganneff] buxy: not you, but you are free to approve it too... :)
20:45:13[ buxy] heh, I already told dato I'd happily approve it, just ping me
20:45:22[ Ganneff] buxy: ping
20:45:32 * Shoco slaps KiBi :(
20:45:36[ dato] buxy: yeah, liw was overeager :)
20:47:07[ buxy] okay approved, created bzr space and granted Debian ACL
20:47:46[ liw] excellentamento!
20:48:22[ liw] and now, for something completely different: dinner
20:48:35[ dato] buxy: thanks!
20:48:42[ buxy] you're welcome
20:48:53[ dato] buxy: does alioth's gforge support http vservers?
20:49:16[ h01ger] liw, W: Unable to locate package dinner
20:49:26[ Shoco] pff
20:49:48[ buxy] dato: yes, it's supposed to work, you want dep.debian.net pointing there or something like that ?
20:50:20[ dato] yeah, dep. or enhance.
20:50:37[ buxy] or both :)
20:50:43[ dato] dinner time
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21:57:05[ liw] zack, dato: I think I'm in favor of dep.debian.net (later .org if it proves successful)... same name as the alioth project makes things easier to remember
21:58:34[ kobold] 7save
21:58:39[ kobold] ops
21:59:38[ godog] kobold: switch to US keyboard ;)
22:03:01[ CIA-2] qa.debian.org: zack * r1775 /trunk/pts/www/xsl/pts.xsl: bug fix: move "bugs" outside <acronym> in bug counts
22:04:39[ Atomo64] can I fill a RM for package 'mas' in behalf of the QA team? orphaned, bugs: 1RC, 1 normal, 1 wishlist (new upstream version, three years old), not in testing, maintainer says "Orphaning a completely useless package that doesn't need to be in Debian.", popcon: 39 inst, 6 votes
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22:05:10[ Ganneff] Atomo64: if maintainer orphaned it and its not used much and has bugs - yes.
22:05:31[ Ganneff] liw: sorry, lost the url, where was your dep proposal again? want to flame it to death now. :)
22:05:58[ Atomo64] Ganneff: ok, you'll then receive that request in a moment :)
22:06:12[ liw] Ganneff, http://pieni.net/u/liw/dep.txt
22:06:42[ Atomo64] zack: now that you are at it (working on the repository), can you fix the typo 'dsfg' with 'dfsg' in developer.wml/.php? it is part of a regex of the ver_comp function
22:07:16[ liw] zack is away for two minutes or so (just so you're no impatient :)
22:08:30[ liw] and he's back
22:09:31[ pusling] that was 2 minutes ;)
22:09:52[ Atomo64] should I fill a bug against ftp.d.o or reassign the O: one?
22:10:52[ KiBi] HE: <
22:10:56[ KiBi] *o<, even.
22:11:08[ pusling] >o
22:11:18[ KiBi] \o/ DebConf '09 in Extremadura \o/
22:11:23[ HE] KiBi: I'm a release assistant!
22:11:28[ KiBi] Extremadura and its vino!¡!
22:11:47 * KiBi wasn't sure it was so funny to be a release assistant.
22:11:49[ HE] Oh, the vino is a good reason to go to debconf 09 in Extremadura :)
22:11:55[ KiBi] Suuuuuuuure
22:12:03[ HE] KiBi: You don't want to read the job description, really
22:12:13 * KiBi checks
22:12:20[ KiBi] Should be one a DD? Too bad.
22:13:46[ HE] KiBi: OTOH, luk is a release manager, so he's very experienced in releasing.
22:13:52 * KiBi wants to be a release assistant now.
22:14:19[ KiBi] Or manager, even, as long as it's possible to drink Extremadura's vins.
22:14:22[ KiBi] *vinos
22:14:23[ zack] Atomo64: sorry, but I don't know anything about developer.php
22:14:31[ zack] Atomo64: the PTS is an entirely different codebase
22:15:01[ KiBi] developer is DDPO. Pts is package-oriented.
22:15:18[ KiBi] (\o/ I'm not *that* drunk, looks like. :p)
22:15:29[ KiBi] (HE: What about you? :p)
22:15:38[ lucas] that's what drunk people say, usually
22:15:48[ KiBi] :-)
22:15:54 * KiBi mima a lucas
22:16:08[ Atomo64] zack: well, it's just a typo that needs to be fixed, if you don't want to do it, can somebody else do it? 
22:16:29[ zack] if you have a pointer about where the code is I can do
22:16:35[ KiBi] lucas: You've got to learn Spanish now.
22:16:38[ zack] as whoever else in this channel I suppose
22:17:55[ HE] KiBi: I got over being an expert in releasing and am currently setting up a new host to host tests for the britney-rewrite
22:18:28[ liw] HE, what does that need?
22:18:31[ KiBi] HE: I'm supposed to be doing SQL-thingies right now.
22:18:43[ HE] liw: debootstrap, xen thingies, moving stuff
22:18:45 * KiBi 'd better have that glass empty again.
22:19:01[ KiBi] Shoco: Are you done yet?
22:19:18[ liw] HE, I mean, do you need hardware for that? if so, ask h0lger
22:19:20[ Atomo64] zack: trunk/wml/developer.wml
22:19:26 * liw pimps piatti full time :)
22:19:33[ KiBi] Shoco: I tool a card to get lucas getting candies in the face ;-)
22:19:39[ zack] Atomo64: erm ... which repository?
22:19:43[ KiBi] liw: What's piatti?
22:20:06[ liw] KiBi, the machine running http://piuparts.cs.helsinki.fi -- currently under-used
22:20:34[ KiBi] liw: OK, thanks.
22:21:01[ Atomo64] zack, nevermind, luk fixed it 4 days ago, thanks anyway
22:21:17[ luk] yes, the first time you mentioned it...
22:21:23[ HE] liw: No, I do have hardware
22:21:50[ h01ger] HE, my precious hardware
22:22:00[ HE] liw: Actually, I needed a long time to decide how much of the 1.2 TB of free space in the vg I wanted to use for this...
22:22:33[ zack] Atomo64: ack
22:23:38[ Ganneff] dato: http://db.debian.org/doc-mail.html
22:23:42[ Ganneff] zack, h01ger ^^
22:23:44[ Ganneff] its in there
22:23:51[ Atomo64] luk: I didn't see any commit even some hours after I mentioned it so I tough nobody had done anything about it yet. Anyway, it is good to see that sooner or later (errm, because timezones maybe?) things are done :)
22:24:19[ dato] Ganneff: thanks
22:24:41[ Ganneff] dato, h01ger, zack: Debian.net DNS Zone Entry. The only way to get a debian.net address is to use the mail gateway. It will verify the request and prevent name collisions automatically. Requests can take three forms: 'foo in a 1.2.3.4', 'foo in cname foo.bar.', or 'foo in mx 10 foo.bar.' (note the trailing dot). Note that you cannot combine CNAME with any other record types. The precise form is critical and must not be deviated from. Like the ...
22:24:41[ Ganneff] ... SSH function above, multiple hosts are supported, but they must all be sent at once. The debian.net zone is reloaded hourly.
22:24:42[ Ganneff] :)
22:24:52[ Shoco] KiBi: I'll bring you the other one :)
22:25:06[ dato] zack: s/org/org./
22:25:35[ KiBi] Shoco: You're so kind.
22:25:42[ Shoco] :P
22:26:02 * KiBi wonders about getting up and trying to walk.
22:26:13[ h01ger] Ganneff, yeah, i added the cname syntax now to my script which produces the mail in the right format
22:26:13[ KiBi] Maybe I'm not drunk as some RMAs are.
22:26:14[ h01ger] :)
22:26:16 * KiBi looks at HE.
22:30:09[ KiBi] Not to mention I didn't need any help.
22:30:51[ dato] zack: in the cname line, I mean.
22:31:07 * HE looks at KiBi
22:31:18 * KiBi looks at HE back.
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22:31:24[ bzed] kobold: ping!
22:31:32[ KiBi] bzed: RST!
22:31:34 * HE looks thoughtfully at KiBi
22:31:36[ zack] dato: ack, done
22:32:02[ dato] zack: ta
22:32:07[ HE] KiBi: Don't laugh, that's my "let's release" look
22:32:09 * KiBi ponders what thoughts that could be.
22:32:27[ KiBi] Your looking at seeme empty.
22:32:41[ KiBi] *seems quite empty.
22:32:47 * KiBi blames the lag.
22:32:47[ bzed] kobold: ping2
22:32:57[ kobold] bzed: pong
22:32:59[ Shoco] kobold-svacuumcleaner :D
22:33:11[ HE] KiBi: That's because my thought are all used to translate the release assistant thingie to german
22:33:20 * KiBi lulz
22:33:30[ KiBi] Really, I mean it.
22:33:39 * kobold is learning irssiù
22:33:48[ KiBi] Can I haz a drunk keyboard?
22:34:02[ HE]  You know, I nearly killed my old iBook with a glass of wine
22:34:23[ KiBi] I drink them ,actually, just give them to me.
22:34:34[ KiBi] (Glasses, not ibooks.)
22:35:12[ Shoco] So - how will not go to sleep tonight? We need some interesting plans :D
22:35:44[ HE] Shoco: I think you meant  "who" there?
22:36:00[ Shoco] yes :P
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22:38:47 * KiBi thinks he shouldn't answer on -release tonight.
22:38:50 * KiBi postpones.
22:39:04[ pusling] KiBi: com on. you should
22:39:05[ HE] KiBi: Why not? Didn't you manage to release?
22:39:07 * KiBi releases a postpone item.
22:39:25[ KiBi] HE: You don't want to know what I'm releasing. :D
22:39:41[ HE] KiBi: I'm pretty sure of that, yes
22:39:46 * KiBi releases another bottle of wine.
22:40:01[ KiBi] HE: What about asking for another one?
22:40:23[ HE] KiBi: I was thinking about going to bed, ebcause we need to get up horribly early tomorrow...
22:40:29[ KiBi] HE: Note that you can actually answer me directly, like in IRL.
22:40:41[ KiBi] HE: You're sucking at releasing.
22:40:51[ Shoco] bzed and I will stay awake the whole night :P
22:41:16[ KiBi] HE: I can wake you uup, if you need.
22:41:18[ HE] Shoco: Insane.
22:41:20 * KiBi balames the lag again.
22:41:21[ KiBi] -a
22:41:33[ KiBi] Shoco: I'll do the very same.
22:41:46[ KiBi] I'll just test the bathtub. :-)
22:41:52[ Shoco] HE: alcohol, caffeine and nicotines, those are my vitamines
22:42:00 * KiBi seconds.
22:42:06[ HE] Shoco: Yeah, you look like that
22:42:07[ Shoco] KiBi: It's very comfortable, I tested it some minutes ago
22:42:15[ luk] Shoco: you forgot about cacao
22:42:16[ ana] wow, the round table is ready to play mao
22:42:16[ KiBi] Oh, wait, I can't second, but still.
22:42:23[ Shoco] HE: Be quite Al-Coholic :)
22:42:30[ KiBi] Shoco: I've read that, yeah.
22:42:46[ KiBi] macacao.
22:42:49[ HE] Shoco: I'm quite the alcoholic?
22:42:58 * KiBi wants to be the other one.
22:43:19[ HE] KiBi: Quite the other alcoholic?
22:43:42[ KiBi] HE: Not the release assistant, so yes, the other alcoholic.
22:43:43[ Shoco] HE: You'll get my vote anyway :P
22:43:52[ HE] Shoco: You don't *have* a vote...
22:44:03[ KiBi] Shoco: He is *not* candidating.
22:44:08[ KiBi] Just being elected.
22:45:24::: cek [~cek@89.130.6.136] has joined #debian-qa
22:45:30[ Shoco] `finger mario@db.debian.org`
22:45:30[ Shoco] :P
22:45:35 * Shoco waves to HE
22:45:49[ HE] Shoco: I'm *so* not going to finger you
22:46:19 * KiBi doesn't want to see that.
22:46:24[ Shoco] HE: so fist me :P
22:46:25[ HE] Shoco: Not enough vino in extremadura
22:46:29 * KiBi moves HE & Shoco into the toilets.
22:46:38[ KiBi] “Do you need help?”
22:46:43[ HE] KiBi: He needs help with releasing?
22:47:00[ KiBi] HE: I don't want to know, just ask him (there).
22:47:29[ HE] Oh god!
22:47:34[ HE] I made a horrible mistake!
22:47:38[ KiBi] Oh, $DEITY
22:47:46[ KiBi] HE: An accidental release?
22:48:06 * Shoco is just happy right now after crying in the bar some minutes ago :P
22:49:14[ KiBi] Shoco: I mean: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
22:49:19[ KiBi] Really, no. No fucking way.
22:49:21[ HE] KiBi and Shoco want to have sex on the kitchen table!
22:49:25[ KiBi] s/ fucking//
22:49:26[ h01ger] liw, ana, lucas: you might want to look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianQAExtremadura2007/Report and edit|enhance the DRUNK+TIRED DRAFT about piuparts
22:49:30[ Shoco] :)
22:49:31[ HE] KiBi:Perhaps there's an oral way?
22:49:37 * Shoco slaps HE
22:49:49[ KiBi] HE: Doesn't that violate rule #1 somehow?
22:49:57[ Shoco] KiBi: OR(AL)LY? :)
22:50:03[ KiBi] TTLY
22:50:11[ KiBi] $/W 2
22:50:14[ KiBi] my god
22:50:19 * KiBi blames irssi
22:50:22[ pusling] $/
22:50:28[ HE] KiBi: Hmmm, It's not *my* kitchen table. Actually, I will never have to eat from this table again
22:50:29[ pusling] isn't that perl ?
22:50:55 * KiBi goes for sex, then.
22:51:02[ KiBi] pusling: Everybody stand back.
22:51:02 * Shoco joins KiBi
22:51:09[ KiBi] pusling: I know regular expressions.
22:51:18 * KiBi stops cheating using HE's shirt.
22:51:40[ HE] KiBi: sex is owned by liw and he doesn't want to share!
22:52:08[ Shoco] liw is busy... so let's steal it :)
22:52:14 * KiBi 's got his own.
22:52:15[ HE] Let's steal liw's sex?
22:52:24[ Shoco] brrr, better not :-O
22:55:12::: luk [~luk@luk.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:55:28[ liw] my sex is free, you can go get woody and get sex
22:55:43[ liw] (*endless* hours of fun from those two names)
22:56:50[ Shoco] woody & sex? Dendrophilists?
22:56:52[ Shoco] :-/
22:57:02[ liw] h01ger, ana: the piuparts section on the report page looks good to me
22:57:36 * KiBi blames HE for leaving so early.
23:01:37[ godog] lucas: http://rafb.net/p/NjaEM328.html for adding entries to package-actions
23:02:33 * lucas lols to #453793
23:05:41[ liw] eh, "Lord of, St. Luke Valor"
23:13:50[ ana] hah
23:14:18[ ana] valor in spanish means value
23:17:52 * Shoco waves to kobold 
23:17:57[ Shoco] kobold: irssi is nice, isn't it?
23:18:39 * KiBi values ana.
23:19:13[ pusling] lucas: please aquire the right libra